Warfare & Tactics

Edit: Just because your turret can't fire null ammo doesn't mean it should be reprocessed...

Disagree, null is life.

Anyhow training t2 small guns takes life five days and its hell of a lot more helpful than most other things you could be training



Edit: Seriously dont' start running AF's on a low sp toon with no exprience. I started pvping in AF's with a pretty good understanding of fittings and a fair amount of pvp know how but i still died endlessly in senseless fights because i was BAD (still am actually but thats another matter)

Use t1, a lot of them are really really good.. its easier to get fights, you're less likely to get blobbed and its cheaper.

This is what I plan to do at least, (I'm new like you played Eve a really long time ago, there's been so many changes!)

1. First month-Second month (halfway thru)- Train up some combat skills and earn some isk.

2. Buy a couple frigs and go look for fights

3. Decide on a couple fittings I like

4 Buy a whole bunch of frigs and fittings, and maybe join FW's? Not sure how good FW's is yet.

5. Get my frigs while I train up skills more

6. Cycle and repeat.


As far as effective fittings go I'd suggest looking at what is popular on Battleclinic and coming up with fits to fight that. Unless Eve has changed a lot in this respect people tend to copy paste a lot of Battleclinic fits into their ships.

There is a world of difference between choosing to fit a meta3 gun and being forced to due to not having the skills to fit T2.

Frig 4 (-5%)
Spec 0 (-8%)
Turret 3 (-10%)
Surgical strike 3 (-6%)
Rapid Fire 4 (-4%)
Gunnery 4 (-2%)

Failmath adds that low skill noob up to ~25% less damage, not counting the difference in damage of the gun itself or the T2 ammo. Not even looking at shorter range and worse tracking yet. You don't lose nearly that much DPS downgrading to save costs, that's why it works for you so well in comparison. You keep the skill bonuses (except spec).

It takes fights you should take and win in deep structure, and turns them into lolwtfbbq against competent pilots. Especially when you then realize tank is lacking too, as are Nav skills. You're trying to brawl in neut range with bad cap skills, bad damage projection and no range control.

Doesn't mean it's a bad idea to try, but you're not gonna win many (any?) fights solo on a low sp pilot with no player experience behind it.

I'm a relatively new player with around 3m SP. A lot of those points are spread around, and aren't focused for FW. I dabbled in mission running and other PvE aspects of the game before giving FW a shot. That said, I'm currently training for my first T2 gun fit now. My experience is, those T2 guns are a necessity, along with Thermodynamics (the ability to overheat modules). I've had several close calls, and being able to dish out just a little more damage or hang in there for a few more seconds would've made the difference.

The veterans can say that SP don't matter, or that they can do just as well with Meta 4 gear. They also have experience on their side, whereas we new players don't. We need that gear advantage in my opinion.

Personally, I've started checking WTs character age when they enter a system. If a 2009 toon shows up at my plex gate, I'm not going to take that fight, no matter what the ship match-up is. Being in a small gang is different, when you can rely on others. But solo, I'm picking my fights much more carefully. I don't mind losing ships, but there no point in feeding the enemy senseless kills.

I agree.

And that's probably the most difficult lesson of all for us newbies to learn: picking your fights. We all want those killmails. We're all looking to L2PvP and its temping to just throw yourself at anything that comes you way hoping to gain experience and possibly win. But that's a stupid way to go about it, because the top guys don't take on every fight either.

I've learned a lot about how NOT fighting can earn kills. Some over eager small gangs will hunt down a solo pilot relentlessly, and if you're able to split them up, you can fight them on your terms and increase your odds of winning.

So.. you blobbed a dramiel and thats why you don't need null? =/

I was doing some research, and it seems as if the Minnie and Caldari ships are the most versatile since they can swap ammo types? Meanwhile Gallente and Amarr ships are usually restricted to one or two damage types only. So I'm thinking of going down the Minnie route (I'm not a huge fan of missiles). Thoughts? Or it doesn't really matter in PVP?

That, and "capless weapons" and "midslots". There are some really good four (or five) midslot Caldari and Minmatar hulls that are really tough to beat one on one.