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Salvaging and Cosmic Signatures

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Nicholas W Amatin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-14 09:27:09 UTC
Hey all,

I'm relatively new to the game, but I've been focusing on exploration since I finished my tutorials. Right now, I typically clear combat signatures with my cruiser, and I (very slowly) salvage wrecks with one salvager equipped to my cruiser. A few times, I've tried to leave and return with a better salvaging ship, but even when I get back within 5-10 minutes the activation gate has always disappeared.

Can anyone educate me on how to leave and return to a signature with another ship, or if it's even possible? Thanks much in advance!

-Nick
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#2 - 2013-03-14 09:30:53 UTC
Bookmark one wreck per acceleration gate, after that, warp to the bookmarks.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-14 09:31:08 UTC
You select one of the wrecks and chose "Save location". That creates a bookmark in your "People and Places" menu.
When you are in the same system where the bookmark is, you can right click in space and warp to the bookmark. It will be in your context menu.

For faster salvaging, use a Noctis with salvaging rigs.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-03-14 09:44:56 UTC
Just FYI, if you're doing exploration combat sites, 99.9% of the ISK is in getting faction or deadspace loot. (IMHO) the only wrecks worth salvaging and looting are the commander/overseer/"boss" wrecks.
Talemecus Valta
Deep Space Coalition
#5 - 2013-03-14 10:15:51 UTC
Train up on Salvage drones.

These little beauties do all the work allowing you to fit a tractor beam instead of a salvager.

You can use the tractor beam to bring in loot canisters, saving you the hassle of flying about all over the place.

If you want a real constant flow of loot and Salvage, do Level 2 and above Security missions.

When you get to the blockade mission, you'll be swimming in wrecks.

Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-14 10:25:21 UTC
Nicholas W Amatin wrote:
Hey all,

I'm relatively new to the game, but I've been focusing on exploration since I finished my tutorials. Right now, I typically clear combat signatures with my cruiser, and I (very slowly) salvage wrecks with one salvager equipped to my cruiser. A few times, I've tried to leave and return with a better salvaging ship, but even when I get back within 5-10 minutes the activation gate has always disappeared.

Can anyone educate me on how to leave and return to a signature with another ship, or if it's even possible? Thanks much in advance!

-Nick


You sir need an Orca piloted by an alt so you can carry around all your ships for this task. That way, you could swap from cruiser to salvaging frigate and back as the need requires.

*CCP, I expect a 10% commission as a referral fee should this fine customer ever get that orca alt toon!

Don't ban me, bro!
Nicholas W Amatin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-03-14 20:24:06 UTC
Wow. Thanks everyone for the great suggestions. I was not expecting such an excellent pool of responses.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#8 - 2013-03-14 20:43:53 UTC
Nicholas W Amatin wrote:
I was not expecting such an excellent pool of responses.


this guy might just make it.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-03-14 21:02:56 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Just FYI, if you're doing exploration combat sites, 99.9% of the ISK is in getting faction or deadspace loot. (IMHO) the only wrecks worth salvaging and looting are the commander/overseer/"boss" wrecks.

Stop giving bad advice. While the "boss" is a nice thing to loot and salvage, the entire rest of the site can net you the components for at least a small rig in the low end sites.

Bookmark a wreck in each room, as the dungeon disapears after you warp out upon finishing the site. The wrecks stay, but as you have learned the acceleration gates and whatnot go poof.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-03-14 21:11:09 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
St Mio wrote:
Just FYI, if you're doing exploration combat sites, 99.9% of the ISK is in getting faction or deadspace loot. (IMHO) the only wrecks worth salvaging and looting are the commander/overseer/"boss" wrecks.

Stop giving bad advice. While the "boss" is a nice thing to loot and salvage, the entire rest of the site can net you the components for at least a small rig in the low end sites.

Bookmark a wreck in each room, as the dungeon disapears after you warp out upon finishing the site. The wrecks stay, but as you have learned the acceleration gates and whatnot go poof.

I agree, any salvage is good salvage, especially for a new player.

If your ship has a drone bay, carry some Salvage Drones. After destroying the NPC's, launch the Salvage Drones and right click on the 'Drones in space' text menu and select 'Salvage'. The Drones will automatically salvage all the wrecks leaving you time to gather up all the loot.


DMC

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Talemecus Valta
Deep Space Coalition
#11 - 2013-03-15 10:00:09 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
St Mio wrote:
Just FYI, if you're doing exploration combat sites, 99.9% of the ISK is in getting faction or deadspace loot. (IMHO) the only wrecks worth salvaging and looting are the commander/overseer/"boss" wrecks.

Stop giving bad advice. While the "boss" is a nice thing to loot and salvage, the entire rest of the site can net you the components for at least a small rig in the low end sites.

Bookmark a wreck in each room, as the dungeon disapears after you warp out upon finishing the site. The wrecks stay, but as you have learned the acceleration gates and whatnot go poof.

I agree, any salvage is good salvage, especially for a new player.

If your ship has a drone bay, carry some Salvage Drones. After destroying the NPC's, launch the Salvage Drones and right click on the 'Drones in space' text menu and select 'Salvage'. The Drones will automatically salvage all the wrecks leaving you time to gather up all the loot.


DMC


Even better, open up the short cuts menu, by pressing escape, and the set the drones to be activated by a press of a key, for example, F.

This way, you don't have to worry about missing the wrong command.

Just make sure that the combat drones don't try to destroy the wreck before you've salvaged it.

Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.
Ayame Tao
#12 - 2013-03-15 11:39:04 UTC
Further note about Salvage Drones,

1. If you deploy drones and with nothing targeted tell them to Salvage (launch drones - right click drones in space in the drone window - select salvage) then Salvage Drones will go about salvaging all wrecks within drone range (depends on your skills, but should be at least 30km or so)

2. Once they're off and salvaging, you can target wrecks and tractor beam them into their salvage zone. This is especially effective with a Noctis with bonuses to tractor beam range and speed, but it's a fair investment for a new player and requires faffing about with ship changing.

3. If you have a wreck targeted and launch drones and tell them to salvage, they will salvage the targeted wreck and then sit idle until you tell them to go salvage another, or have nothing targeted and tell all drones to just Salvage as above in point 1.

4. Shortcut keys (set up in the ESC menu) don't seem to work for issuing the general Salvage command, but will get your drones to salvage your current targeted wreck.


I usually run the site or mission, bookmark a wreck in each pocket then warp back to the wrecks directly after changing ships or completing the mission. Arrive at the wrecks, launch drones, set them salvaging then tractor all the wrecks into a big pile. Loot wrecks and cans, leave the drones to the salvaging.

Alternatively, a Destroyer makes a very good beginner salvage vessel. They're small, quick with plenty of high slots for tractors and salvagers plus rigs for salvage tackle, lows for cargo expanders and mids for microwarp drives to zip around the place.

In fact, the new Gallente Algos can bring Salvage Drones too. As Destroyers is currently a non-racial skill, should be easy to train for something like this which is a great ship for salvaging until you can afford the expense, time and skills for a decent Noctis:

[Algos, Mini-Noctis]
Expanded Cargohold I
Expanded Cargohold I
Expanded Cargohold I

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Drone Navigation Computer I

Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I

Small Salvage Tackle I
Small Salvage Tackle I
Small Salvage Tackle I


Salvage Drone I x5
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-03-15 12:43:44 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
St Mio wrote:
Just FYI, if you're doing exploration combat sites, 99.9% of the ISK is in getting faction or deadspace loot. (IMHO) the only wrecks worth salvaging and looting are the commander/overseer/"boss" wrecks.

Stop giving bad advice. While the "boss" is a nice thing to loot and salvage, the entire rest of the site can net you the components for at least a small rig in the low end sites.

Bookmark a wreck in each room, as the dungeon disapears after you warp out upon finishing the site. The wrecks stay, but as you have learned the acceleration gates and whatnot go poof.

Opportunity cost.

In the time he's spending salvaging frigates in high-sec exploration sites and maybe making 1m ISK, he could be doing another site that might drop a 100m module. IMHO if you like salvaging, missions offer you a much more consistent supply of wrecks. IMHO if you're exploring, the only reason to turn rats into wrecks is so that you can get to the overseer can/wreck. I mean, he could also mine the rocks in exploration sites and manufacture his own ammo if he wanted to, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea (as far as I'm concerned).
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-15 12:51:05 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
St Mio wrote:
Just FYI, if you're doing exploration combat sites, 99.9% of the ISK is in getting faction or deadspace loot. (IMHO) the only wrecks worth salvaging and looting are the commander/overseer/"boss" wrecks.

Stop giving bad advice. While the "boss" is a nice thing to loot and salvage, the entire rest of the site can net you the components for at least a small rig in the low end sites.


Exploration, especially in hi-sec, is all about blitzing sites, the slower you are the less isk you make... if you are salvaging you are doing it wrong, you would be better of running missions.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#15 - 2013-03-15 14:36:59 UTC
dexington wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
St Mio wrote:
Just FYI, if you're doing exploration combat sites, 99.9% of the ISK is in getting faction or deadspace loot. (IMHO) the only wrecks worth salvaging and looting are the commander/overseer/"boss" wrecks.

Stop giving bad advice. While the "boss" is a nice thing to loot and salvage, the entire rest of the site can net you the components for at least a small rig in the low end sites.


Exploration, especially in hi-sec, is all about blitzing sites, the slower you are the less isk you make... if you are salvaging you are doing it wrong, you would be better of running missions.

Blitz a half-dozen sites, come back and clean up those wrecks left behind later. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Ginger Barbarella
#16 - 2013-03-15 17:41:57 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Nicholas W Amatin wrote:
Hey all,

I'm relatively new to the game, but I've been focusing on exploration since I finished my tutorials. Right now, I typically clear combat signatures with my cruiser, and I (very slowly) salvage wrecks with one salvager equipped to my cruiser. A few times, I've tried to leave and return with a better salvaging ship, but even when I get back within 5-10 minutes the activation gate has always disappeared.

Can anyone educate me on how to leave and return to a signature with another ship, or if it's even possible? Thanks much in advance!

-Nick


You sir need an Orca piloted by an alt so you can carry around all your ships for this task. That way, you could swap from cruiser to salvaging frigate and back as the need requires.

*CCP, I expect a 10% commission as a referral fee should this fine customer ever get that orca alt toon!


I actually did that recently when I was running the Minmatar COSMOS on an alt, but to suggest that for a noob is just ludicrous.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Talemecus Valta
Deep Space Coalition
#17 - 2013-03-15 18:00:04 UTC
Ayame Tao, have you checked to make sure your not typing the salvage command short cut key in the chat window?

That happens to me quite a bit.

Running missions does provide a better run of wrecks and loot, but when you find a dangerous DED site ie 6/10, you'll be wanting the loot more than the wrecks.

I've not done a 6/10 DED before, but when I did a lvl 4 mission with some corp members I ran out of cargo hold space when using my Vexor.

The choice is yours OP.

Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#18 - 2013-03-15 23:05:05 UTC
Many sites despawn once you leave them.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2013-03-15 23:55:01 UTC
I have removed some overheated and off topic post.

Op's question is legit and he has already received several very good answers from different points of view. Excellent!
But please do remember, keep the discussion on topic and above all civil!

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Pantiy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-03-16 00:18:38 UTC
Also a FYI wrecks like jet cans last around 2 hours. So when making a bookmark using wrecks just name it the time in game . So you know which sites to go to first, as it is better to run multiple sites if you have skills to do a few fast enough before wrecks start to disappear.
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