Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yet it will do exactly that, there would no way to use cloak to get away from gate or hole camps any more.

Furthermore, suggestions should contain some kind of argument why things need to be changed.

Purpose of a cloaking device is to make your ship undetectable. Why do you want to break the module by removing it's purpose?

Because people want to hunt down cloaked ships and current game mechanics do not hold any modules, ways, ships or anything to find cloaked ships from the void of space.

The point of a weapon is to deal damage. Do you disagree with the existence of tanking modules, some of which outright remove the damage you dealt? The point of a propulsion module is to go faster. Do you disagree with the existence of a stasis webifier? The point of a warp scrambler/disruptor is to prevent people from warping. Do you disagree with the existence of warp stabilizers? Virtually every shipboard module that creates an advantage has an opposing module made to deny that advantage.



There are only two things that you can't really proactively fight and can only react against: cancer and aging. Those also sound like things that could be used to describe virtually infallible cloaking mechanics.



No, I wasn't. I was pointing out that their hit-and-run tactics involved 'hit and then become impervious to retaliation' mechanics. The tactic, applied virtually anywhere else, can involve a chase. But once that cloak gets established there is nothing one can do to press the fight anymore short of getting a really lucky bump in. Hit-and-run tactics in other cases can actually involve a person having to run from something (warp disruptor range) and should they escape their enemy can actually chase them (warp to their new location).



I think you confuse me for people that are scared of people sitting in their null system afk-cloaked for days on end... Anyways, many modules do that already. Tanking modules; they'll either be doing absolutely nothing for you (you're not taking damage) or they'll only be a nerf to some ships (those dealing damage) while others aren't affected (every non-combat ship in Eve). Put more simply, your tank is only bothering people trying to kill you while it bothers nobody else. This module pretty much only bothers the people trying to kill me (and either needing a team to do so or trying to use this as their defense mechanism) and it doesn't bother anybody else.

You sure did spend a lot of words to propose a terribly unbalanced, unnecessary mechanic, OP.

You should have named it. "Yet another pointless nerf, just because."

Cloaks are balanced.

Because I'm not wrong and your argument would make you look bad?

They aren't pro-cloak posts, they're anti-terrible-ideas posts.

The counter to cloaked ships lies in the ships themselves being already nerfed in direct combat.

Again...
- Stealth Bombers have minimal tank. A T1 frigate, destroyer, or flight of Warrior II drones can rip one to pieces in under a minute or [much] less. And torpedos barely scratch anything below cruiser level.
- Recon ships all suffer from decloaking delays of 5 to 7 seconds minimum. That's 5 to 7 seconds to warp off or target and jam/scram/shoot.
- All Recons suffer from some kind of deficiency... either having low tank, low speed, low firepower, or some combination of the three.
- The only cloaky T3 ship I consider to be a serious threat is the Proteus. It's main weakness is the energy neutralizer... and if fitted with a capacitor booster to compensate then most AB cruisers can outrun it. It also doesn't have the mid-slots for an ECCM. Other T3 ships suffer from similar issues. Figure out what the common fits are and prepare yourself accordingly.


See above. Cloaks may be "infallible" in their ability... but the ships that specifically use them very much are.


So prepare yourself and when they decloak... retaliate. If they hit... you stop them from running and hit back.


Bear in mind that due to the weaknesses inherent in cloaking ships (that I have pointed out above) they must choose their battles... because once they decloak they are open to anything you can throw at them... and if they miscalculate then they can die very easily.

If they do miscalculate... and they somehow manage to get away from you... then that is YOUR fault... not that of the mechanics or of cloaking.


Tanking mechanics affect all ships equally. Some are designed to use them more effectively, others, notsomuch.

Your idea specially affects certain ships within a certain specialty while not affecting others (as I pointed out in my example). And altering the idea to make it powerful enough to affect all ships within that specialty equally (i.e. all cloaking ships no matter the range) would make it overpowered.

I like sugar, but it doesn't need to be on a silver plate

So lets drop this AFK thing and think less about that and more about what cloaks actualy give you. While your cloaked you can warp around the system, scan the system, make stratetic bm's all over the system, strike terror into your enemies, gather an incredible amount of intel, plan attacks and so forst. Now all that while you are cloaked and I cannot do anything to stop you even if I know your in the system. Yes I know local is part of the problem and if local would be removed then something would need to be done anyways. So with cloaks and claoked up AFK or not your have a huge variety of things you can do and I have NO way of stopping you from doing while I know you might be doing it. I call that unbalanced.

So give me more sugar ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLUaZ4hpNeg )

Why should you be able to stop me using my covert Ops covertly, with planning and gathering intel? I don't have the luxury of stopping you refitting your ship, or gathering troops to come into the system to out blob me. It all sounds like it's balanced tbh.

You also have a large variety of things you could plan. Whether the cloaker's or your plan works, gets determined at the point the cloaker de-cloaks or gets de-cloaked. Then it's down to who planned better.

It always boils down to the following:
Cloaks are balanced and should remain as is with no option made available to find them, as and until local is changed to remove it's 'easy mode' intel system.

Edit: We should also always consider WH dwellers, with any changes to cloaks.

On behalf of w-space, to all ye who live in terror of AFK cloakers: if you give us a cloak hunting device, first we will cry about it, and then we will break it ruthlessly. Then we will be able to make ISK in even greater safety. We already know how to hunt cloakies without any fancy tools. It will do a lot of damage to the balance of w-space, but not in the way that all the "oh noes an afk cloaker" thinks. And god help you if you are one of those people who warps away and cloaks up when you see someone new in local, because we will be very good at finding you.

Instead of asking for a cloak hunting device, ask for an incentive to have friends protecting you. Right now, that is all that separates us from you.