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[33/100%] 30B ISK Bond, 8% Interest / 3 Weeks
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Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#1 - 2013-03-13 11:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Saveritrader
Hey there,

After the great success of my previous (and in the later stages) bonds, I am now starting up a 3rd bond. This bond will cover a portion of my trading capabilities, as well as fund several parts of production.

For that reason, this bond will be a little bit bigger than my previous bond, and at slightly different rates and repayment periods. The total value of this particular bond is 30 billion ISK, with 8% interest + 20% repayment every 3 weeks.

If you want to invest, please contact me through EVEmail or just post on this thread if you prefer. I will gladly give out API details or answer questions if you prefer, just contact me.

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30 Billion ISK Bond


Interest: 8% / 3 Weeks (Every saturday)
Repayment: 20% / 3 Weeks (8 Week duration)


| Current Investors | CURRENT REMAINING: 30B (INITIAL: 30B)






| Current Reservations |







Other / Previous Bonds

  • [LINK] - 20 Billion ISK Bond, started 18/02/2013
  • [LINK] - 10 Billion ISK Bond, started 19/01/2013
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#2 - 2013-03-13 12:14:53 UTC
so we use this one to pay the last one, that's how ponzi works yeh?

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-03-13 12:58:23 UTC
wow this is the most transparent ponzi we've seen in a while

at least we get the names of two blatant shill alts out of it

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Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#4 - 2013-03-13 13:19:53 UTC
Right, you're the one blatantly calling this a ponzi. If this bond doesn't get filled, that isn't a problem. The other one will just get repaid as promised and the investors on this one will get paid according to this bond's schedule.

So if you don't like it, don't invest. But if you do, feel free to do as such. On my part I can only guarantee that this is a false statement you're putting out there, and I have made 21.6b profit since the start of my first bond, which I couldn't achieve without the isk of these bonds.

Therefore I do these bonds, to fully exploit the opportunities EVE has to offer. And to make full exploit of them, I need the additional capital that bonds tend to provide for periods of time. If you had taken the time to EVEmail me, asking why I need this ISK, or hell even ask for APIs, you can atleast see that I'm not using the ISK from these bonds to repay the previous bonds.

So if people would stop with the random namecalling and first investigate more on the matter, that'd be great.
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#5 - 2013-03-13 13:37:26 UTC
Saveritrader wrote:

So if people would stop with the random namecalling and first investigate more on the matter, that'd be great.


past performance is an irrelevant factor.

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#6 - 2013-03-13 13:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Candy Oshea
What you have in fact now done, is expose your current 20b? investors, to a potential 45b scam. by trying to collect now, while other is running, and still has 1 month to go.

45b. nice round number that. (50b Minus One 25% payment, of course.)

Are you current investors aware of this rapid expansion plan, and if so, have you given them an option to cash out.

that's why its being called a ponzi you see.

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#7 - 2013-03-13 14:04:02 UTC
I have given every previous investor the first option to invest, and let them in on what my bond actually is for and what I plan to do with the ISK.

If any of the investors has a problem with that, I will gladly sort it out and if they wish to cash out, they are free to do so. All I provide is a steady income from your own ISK, with me making a bigger daily profit due to it aswell.
Coleostro
#8 - 2013-03-13 14:28:19 UTC
Saveritrader,

Thank you for the heads up on this bond. I look forward to investing and seeing your continued success.

Please advise when the bond is ready to start/isk is needed. Additionally, I will monitor the thread in any case.

Regards,



Coleostro
Diraus Omega
Speculum Ambitus
#9 - 2013-03-13 14:58:52 UTC
Saveritrader wrote:
Right, you're the one blatantly calling this a ponzi. If this bond doesn't get filled, that isn't a problem. The other one will just get repaid as promised and the investors on this one will get paid according to this bond's schedule.

So if you don't like it, don't invest. But if you do, feel free to do as such. On my part I can only guarantee that this is a false statement you're putting out there, and I have made 21.6b profit since the start of my first bond, which I couldn't achieve without the isk of these bonds.

Therefore I do these bonds, to fully exploit the opportunities EVE has to offer. And to make full exploit of them, I need the additional capital that bonds tend to provide for periods of time. If you had taken the time to EVEmail me, asking why I need this ISK, or hell even ask for APIs, you can atleast see that I'm not using the ISK from these bonds to repay the previous bonds.

So if people would stop with the random namecalling and first investigate more on the matter, that'd be great.


heres the problem I have you say you need the cash to take advantage of the opportunities that EVE has to offer yet you buck the trend of normal investment in EVE buy offering early pay back of cash so while still paying interest on that money your returning it to investors so you can't take advanage of that money.

so heres the thing your system cant be working since your last bond is not even a month old with 4 mores weeks to run you've returned 15 billion to those investors yet you find your self short of cash on hand to take advantage of the market gaps you see.

your best course of action would let your previous bond run then on your next bond dont be so silly and offer early pay back of money keep it till the bonds finished and let the money your paying interest on work for you.
Saveritrader
Sav Trading
#10 - 2013-03-13 15:09:10 UTC
Diraus Omega wrote:
Saveritrader wrote:
Right, you're the one blatantly calling this a ponzi. If this bond doesn't get filled, that isn't a problem. The other one will just get repaid as promised and the investors on this one will get paid according to this bond's schedule.

So if you don't like it, don't invest. But if you do, feel free to do as such. On my part I can only guarantee that this is a false statement you're putting out there, and I have made 21.6b profit since the start of my first bond, which I couldn't achieve without the isk of these bonds.

Therefore I do these bonds, to fully exploit the opportunities EVE has to offer. And to make full exploit of them, I need the additional capital that bonds tend to provide for periods of time. If you had taken the time to EVEmail me, asking why I need this ISK, or hell even ask for APIs, you can atleast see that I'm not using the ISK from these bonds to repay the previous bonds.

So if people would stop with the random namecalling and first investigate more on the matter, that'd be great.


heres the problem I have you say you need the cash to take advantage of the opportunities that EVE has to offer yet you buck the trend of normal investment in EVE buy offering early pay back of cash so while still paying interest on that money your returning it to investors so you can't take advanage of that money.

so heres the thing your system cant be working since your last bond is not even a month old with 4 mores weeks to run you've returned 15 billion to those investors yet you find your self short of cash on hand to take advantage of the market gaps you see.

your best course of action would let your previous bond run then on your next bond dont be so silly and offer early pay back of money keep it till the bonds finished and let the money your paying interest on work for you.



Agreed, maybe I have started it a bit too early. Though at this moment, all the ISK I have from the previous bond is already tied in trading, in-station and hub-to-hub.

So that means to exploit various other opportunities, such as T3 production or various very lucrative T1 productions, or other hub-to-hub trading opportunities, I have to set up a bond that will work simultaneously with the other, without interfering the profits I run on there.

What I intend to say is that I am not necessarily short of cash on hand, yet don't have enough to exploit all of my operations to the fullest I see fit.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-13 15:18:09 UTC
I foresee so many opportunities in the future that you will have to create yet another bond in 4 weeks. Guess what ? This next bond will be a 40bil one.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#12 - 2013-03-13 16:02:43 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
so we use this one to pay the last one, that's how ponzi works yeh?


or maybe he is just paying off credit cards WITH NEW CREDIT CARDS Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

yes
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#13 - 2013-03-13 23:33:41 UTC
Debra Tao wrote:
I foresee so many opportunities in the future that you will have to create yet another bond in 4 weeks. Guess what ? This next bond will be a 40bil one.


Well, in 2 minds.

@OP the "business model" is to pay back 25% as you go, which is silly, for that interest rate, as you constantly have to have cash out & not invested, when i run a bond its all-in balls in for 4 weeks, then a casual cashout week, you cant just dump on buy orders every 2 weeks to cash out, as by now i'm sure you are carrying some "wood" or crashed stock, makes it difficult to get those payments done.

Making less isk than"all in for a full month" or term, then paid it back at the end.

The reason for this bond is clear, greed.

Just stick to your current commitments, and don't use that "repayment" model again, its not working.

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Diesel Phumes
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-14 12:45:20 UTC
Saver,

Ignore the haters. Everyone in Eve DOES NOT have to be a scammer. Regardless of whether or not this bond goes through, I'm excited to see your old bonds go to completion. Fulfilling your commitments means so much to these forums and future honest profiteers who might just need that 1 shot for someone to believe in them. Each unsuccessful bond destroys so many chances for future generations, and leaves a bunch of bitter folk who come on here to do nothing other than shitpost.

I believe in ya man, I know you can make this thing a success for all parties involved. Keep up the good work.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#15 - 2013-03-14 13:19:41 UTC
This thread does remind he of how starved the market forum is for good investment opportunities. A real needle in a haystack.

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Kazuma Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-03-15 06:05:41 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
so we use this one to pay the last one, that's how ponzi works yeh?


or maybe he is just paying off credit cards WITH NEW CREDIT CARDS Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


Also known as refinancing? A tactic common in the mortgage world to either adjust durations of loans, get a lower APR, principal curtailment, increase loan amount to cover personal expenses, consolidate a debt, etc.

<----- Works at a real estate department within a law firm which acts as a title agent for title insurance.