EVE General Discussion

So are you a PR shill or just naive?

I am neither naive nor a PR shill. My views are mine and mine alone.

This is a new forum and I'd like to see it used by the MAJORITY of Eve players with something positive to add. I am seriously hopeful that saner and happier posts can prevail instead of the mindless abuse half you guys dish out.

Emo and self harm are >>> that way...

Hmmm. k.

I once wrote a fully integrated online store and we had over 1000 users with no problems.

Yet, we had a customer that complained and complained that he had to log on everytime he visited the store. He was reminded of cookies and proceeded to to scream loudly that he would get a virus and we'd steal his bank account details yadda yadda.

Sometimes ya just gotta trust the site man. Worse case scenario is inconvenience (any firewall user with regular backups will tell you that).

I won't miss any of those. Less is more.

This is Eve forums. In Eve I will scam, rob, hunt, shoot and/or pod you, no questions asked.

Sure you will.

You're character is a little over 3 months old with no combat record, so you're either a sock puppet, a newbie or a shill.

I also think it's worth noting that many of the people who are currently irate about the current state of the game and the direction CCP seems to be taking were in fact quite the defenders of CCP in the past.

Tippia and I for example have locked horns repeatedly in the past over different issues yet we're on the same side in this discussion. Atika was one of the few voices trying to defend CCP's Micro.. err Macro-transactions yet here s/he is blasting CCP for the state of the new forums.

Being happy in the face of incompetence is not sanity. In fact I'd say that saner and happier posts on this board are oxymoronic . They can be happy or sane but not both given the current state of the game.

Considering the amount of time and energy CCP has claimed to have sunk into these forums the results are decidedly lackluster, Particularly once you consider the fact that this is just canned software they re-skinned.

And I'm one of the people who think WIS is a good idea and who can't wait for further integration of 'spacebook" into the game. Particularly the bit about being able to manage market orders through it. Which will be a beautiful thing to break the advantage those with more free time or more lax work environments have over the rest of us wage slaves.

Sane there is plenty of, but happy? forget about that.

I suppose that we should be happy that there haven't been any glaring security breaches found so far but that seems a little low of bar to clear.

Call me lazy for not looking in settings but have sigs been removed?

It appears for everyone, it's just that most people aren't familiar enough with the forums to notice it.

Here's a simple one: go back to the old forums and check your settings. Now come back here and do the same. Notice any differences?

Another one: go back to the old forums and resize your window — notice what happens. Now come back here and do the same. Notice a difference?

Or, for that matter, go back to the old forums and create a post. Now do the same here. Notice any differences?

More advanced: turn off javascript and try the two forums out. Notice any differences?

All of the things you dismiss as “fluff” is lost functionality because not only did the old forums offer the option to use that fluff — it offered the option to ignore it. Now you can't do either. They have removed all options. You have zero control over your browsing experience. Now, if you're going to use the “I don't like it so no-one should have it” line of reasoning, I will be forced to call you nasty things… Instead, look at the key word in the above description: options. They are gone. This is bad.
…but that's not what we're talking about here. Instead, we're talking about them needlessly and pointlessly adding event handlers to links (and other elements) to change how the browser behaves when clicking a link. This is bad coding. It is simply not done. Anyone who does this is, by any and all measures, incompetent. Doubly so if they provide no fallback for ifwhen the script breaks.

It is not a browser issue. It's a “CCP fails a coding standings” issue. They're making the most embarrassing newbie mistakes, and they've been told this for half a year, and even been given ready-made solutions, but have failed to address these issues.
It is fast, but so was the old forum. In addition, these forums severely lack optimisations that could speed them up even further. It is not particularly good either since it has lost so much functionality and since the replacement functionality hinges on scripting without graceful degradation. Net result: two one and a half actual improvements since the old forums — longer posts and no session issues — and I never really experienced the latter of those so that's why it only counts as a half.
No. They are, in fact, enforced now. You can change how yours look but they have removed the settings for how others' are displayed.

Preview button does not appear to work for New Topics. Using Internet Explorer 9 fully up to date

No, you come on. If you are going to argue that nothing is wrong, then you need to explain why the problems aren't problems. You're just making excuses which boil down to “I don't do it so I can't imagine why anyone else would want to”. For the lack of a better term, that is ignorance of the highest order.
So you have no point of reference and can't really comment. Then don't dismiss the issues as “fluff” because you have no clue about them.

As for the javascript: because a lot of people do. It's something you have to account for when you code your site, or you're making a very silly newbie mistake. Again: if you do not provide graceful degradation, you have failed. No if, no buts, just pure failure.

If you do it when there is no need for it, it's even worse — you are making things not work for no good reason, and you're just complicating things by adding functionality that already exist, with the one difference being that now you've made it possible for it to not work. Not providing degradation options is one thing. Breaking things that already work is just pure incompetence.
That's a very unusual size for computers these days and the bare minimum of what you should design for. You should most definitely make sure it looks good on far larger displays.
No. Fixed width simply makes the job easier for the designer, assuming they want to incorporate a lot of non-resizeable content (eg non-repeating images). That does not make them “better”. Moreover, providing both a fixed, a dynamic, and a settings-dependent layout is trivially easy using CSS. There is simply no reason not to.
LMAO No. Try again. It is actually slower (due to the editor being continuously polled by scripts, and due ot the abundance of scripts used to even get to the point where you can post), and it's harder (because they editor does not support the same kind of input). And since you didn't spot the actual difference: you are locked out of using a wide array of very useful mark-ups and styles. You cannot collate posts to the same degree. You


I don't make it hard for myself — CCP does. For no good reason. Yes, it's a forum — it's a place for the users to create content. So don't ruin their “working environment” by cluttering it up with useless nonsense and by removing the options they have to customise it.