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Black Eagles Propaganda: "Tibus Heth's Face" and "Education for Death"
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Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-03-12 17:28:20 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:

Are you congratulating people for their ability to read media well, or should you be looking for less obvious cases with similar underlying message. Futhermore, my point to mr.Tuulinen stands, Gallante as a society are a hound that will start barking before biting. They will do it because they need popular internal support, or outcry before they can bite.

That is why dismissing such propaganda, or Gallantean medias vocality about matters outside their Concord recognized sovereignity is an ill adviced stance.


You need not lecture me on the power of Gallentean propaganda and the validity of mob rule. We Caldari know full well the reality of the situation and do not need the haughty tutelage of an Imperial Lord to explain it to us.

I will thank you for gracing us with this pearl of wisdom and remind you that my point still stands as well; the State is not so naive that it does not recognize the danger and potential of even the silliest, most exaggerated propaganda and you can rest assured that the State has prepared a muzzle with which to close the jaw of any rabid dog until it is naught but a mewling pup.

If you suspect otherwise...well, we are simply not operating on the same level of mutual respect I had originally imagined.

~Malcolm Khross
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#22 - 2013-03-12 18:32:37 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:

Are you congratulating people for their ability to read media well, or should you be looking for less obvious cases with similar underlying message. Futhermore, my point to mr.Tuulinen stands, Gallante as a society are a hound that will start barking before biting. They will do it because they need popular internal support, or outcry before they can bite.

That is why dismissing such propaganda, or Gallantean medias vocality about matters outside their Concord recognized sovereignity is an ill adviced stance.


You need not lecture me on the power of Gallentean propaganda and the validity of mob rule. We Caldari know full well the reality of the situation and do not need the haughty tutelage of an Imperial Lord to explain it to us.

I will thank you for gracing us with this pearl of wisdom and remind you that my point still stands as well; the State is not so naive that it does not recognize the danger and potential of even the silliest, most exaggerated propaganda and you can rest assured that the State has prepared a muzzle with which to close the jaw of any rabid dog until it is naught but a mewling pup.

If you suspect otherwise...well, we are simply not operating on the same level of mutual respect I had originally imagined.


I have not publicly expressed any opinions on the preparedness, capability or indeed much of anything of the megacorporate Caldari State.

I did comment on a statement made by a Caldari capsuleer expressing a personal opinion of gallantean media and society. I have not commented on internal matters of the State in this discussion. I do hope my perception of you assuming I should shy away from commenting on Gallantean media or society out of respect for the megacorporate Caldari State, is indeed an erranous interpretation of what you intended to convey.

But since you were kind enough to thank me for that one pearl, even though one clearly not intended for yourself, allow me to extend to you an invitation to visit me as my guest. So we might take this discussion, which I feel to be less relevant to the original topic, private. 
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Johlie
Scorn Again.
#23 - 2013-03-12 18:48:47 UTC
Tibus Heth's Face would probably give me a good laugh. I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Forever in the future, Shall I battle as of yore, Dying to be born a fighter, But to die again, once more.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-03-12 19:03:42 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:

I did comment on a statement made by a Caldari capsuleer expressing a personal opinion of gallantean media and society. I have not commented on internal matters of the State in this discussion. I do hope my perception of you assuming I should shy away from commenting on Gallantean media or society out of respect for the megacorporate Caldari State, is indeed an erranous interpretation of what you intended to convey.


My response to you is borne from your opening statement in your original reply, which was indeed a criticism of my original statement as well as a suggestion of how I should be conducting myself. If that is not what you wished to convey, then we are clearly misunderstanding one another.

My response to you was that none of us, individually or collectively, require you to tell us to be on the look out for what may come from propaganda of this nature, we're intimately familiar with it. While I suspect your original statement to Tuulinen-haan was not borne of criticism, your response to me most certainly was from the way it was written. (Again, if that is not how you intended it then we've had a critical misunderstanding). My original response to you was also not borne of criticism, but merely a blanket statement that many, if not all of us, are already prepared for when the "barking dog" begins to bite.

Erroneous interpretations of each other's statements aside, our points singularly stand. If our attitudes toward one another have been misrepresented, then perhaps private discourse is in order indeed.

~Malcolm Khross
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-03-12 19:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Aelisha wrote:


To the OP, it is good that you have brought this to our attention and I hope that it does not jeopardize your position in your current employment, though as a capsuleer I am sure you'll bounce back either way. To Federation citizens who may read this, or capsuleers who advocate the Federation's way of life - THIS is the enemy at the gate. This is the toxic effect of a war against the State on a generation raised within the confines of such a singularity. Bald propaganda, portrayed in such a childish manner (which is clearly aimed at the younger generations), is a means of turning your disadvantaged, mentally vulnerable and financially destitute into the next wave of soldiers. Your vaunted values of equality and freedom cease to apply when you're educating your children through their media consumption to get themselves killed fighting in a war where immortals rule the skies. One where more are boldly stepping out into the light of day on planets around the cluster, laden with firepower that would make a mortal platoon think twice about their chances against a mere handful of immortal marines.



Your words couldn't be more correct, and fear not, my position is not in jeopardy by what I have revealed. My contract states that I am prohibited from distributing the footage I preview, though I am allowed to discuss it. Even if I was in violation of my contract, having a capsuleer do a variety of jobs for them for fairly little ISK is worth having me reveal a few secrets. I also do mercenary type work for the Federation Navy, which is my primary income whenever I have to stay in Gallente Hi-sec.

But yes, this propaganda is hurting the Federation. We could very well become the crazed fanatics the Black Eagles claim the Caldari are (which is horribly incorrect) if this trend continues uninterrupted.

Stitcher wrote:
Are we sure this isn't an act of internal sabotage intended to make the Federation look bad?


It is possible, though there is no way to find out. Personally I don't think it is a sabotage mission. I can track the current whereabouts and previous transportation logs of the original few holotape copies while it's undergoing the distribution process. I can confirm that the first shipment was received from a Black Eagles facility. Other than that I cannot confirm it's origin. The creators of these two films were anonymous which can be a red flag. However, due to their rather controversial nature, the creators might want to hide their identities at first to prevent any backlash.

Knoot Enderas wrote:
Crude propaganda that doesn't even vaguely reflect the realities of living in the state. Or is this supposed to be surrealist, abstract, 'ironic art' stuff?


I suppose that something along those lines is how the films will be justified if they enter full distribution. Those that don't like it will be branded as people who just don't understand it and other ridiculous claims ranging from lack of intelligence to being a Caldari spy.

Johlie wrote:
Tibus Heth's Face would probably give me a good laugh. I wouldn't mind seeing it.


It is a funny sketch, I found it hysterical. As long as people can understand that it's obviously a propaganda film it's pretty harmless which most adults probably could decipher. However, both films seem to be geared towards children. If we raise our youth with this false reality, then it will be very hard for them to shake it off as they grow older. This could lead to an even shakier future regarding State-Federation relations. In this era where people can become essentially immortal, we have to start looking at things decades ahead of time.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2013-03-12 23:06:31 UTC
Ah, but when the Dog barks this warns you that he needs a kick, doesn't it?

Well - we're warned now.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#27 - 2013-03-13 01:14:58 UTC
Well... Mr. Bugabus.

~pauses as he says mumbles something inaudible~

I really don't know... I really don't.

I have absolutely no appropriate response to this.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-03-13 21:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Knoot Enderas wrote:
Crude propaganda that doesn't even vaguely reflect the realities of living in the state. Or is this supposed to be surrealist, abstract, 'ironic art' stuff?


I would doubt that. If your statement was meant to be sarcastic, please forgive my pedantry.

Gallente democratic socialism requires a positive vote count to proceed with any kind of overtly aggressive acts. This is propaganda directed at the supposedly informed Gallente voters.

Which, of course, calls into question just how informed they really are, if subjected to this kind of slander without allowing the victims lawful recourse, in the name of "free" political speech.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
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