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[Press Release] Attacked Activist Makes Recommendation To Prevent Repetition

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#1 - 2013-03-11 23:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Tekaima, March 11th 115 YC

L.S.

I have hesitated about making this press release, as it might provoke some short tempers. I decided to publish this because the incident might have been witnessed and I had already publicly discussed the attack. I did not want some gutter press to pick up the story, and print an inflammatory article with only part of the facts, and none of my thoughts.
I also think that my report could be used to prevent similar or worse incidents from occuring.

Yesterday, while I was picketing near the Leviathan in orbit of Caldari Prime in the Luminaire system, advocating peace and the ideas outlined in my Primed for Peace petition, my unarmed shuttle was fired upon and destroyed by the Caldari support fleet.
Although I find this level of "defensive" agression a bit over the top, I can not ignore the mistakes I have made, and therefor do not hold any grudges towards those involved, even more so because no lives were lost in the incident.
When I first visited the titan years ago, I did not experience any form of aggression, and although I did suspect that tensions were pretty high, I underestimated how high they were and did not think they would fire upon an unarmed shuttle. My inexperience in the military field caused me miss some signs indicating that I should have stayed back.
I also neglected to seek advice from others that would have provided me with the knowledge that could have prevented this incident from happening.

I will now explain the facts of the incident:
Yesterday, around 20:22, I jumped into the Luminiare system in an unarmed shuttle with no cargo.
After warping to some other beacons for some sightseeing, I warped on top of the beacon near the Leviathan, and arrived there around 20:29.
I noticed that my overview indicated the support fleet as hostiles, but as my ship was not targeted, I decided to make some broadcasts on the local channel:
[ 115.03.10 20:29:48 ] Che Biko > I am unarmned and my intentions are peacful.
[ 115.03.10 20:33:21 ] Che Biko > I have come to advocate peace between the State and the Federation, and to lend my support to the idea that Caldari Prime should be in Caldari hands.
After making these broadcasts, I recieved no response, but I wasn't targeted either, so I assumed all was fine. I proceeded to survey my surroundings and noticed that the fleet was engaging a Proteus. I could also see wrecks of Caldari origin.
Around 20:37 I decided to pilot my ship to a position where I could have both the titan and the planet in frame, for a better view and in case I wanted to take pictures, and chose a direction that would take me past the bow of the titan. I moved away from the beacon, at first at a quarter sub-warp speed (153 m/s), then, after no hostile action came from the Caldari fleet, at half sub-warp speed (305 m/s).
Around 20:38, I was being locked by part of the fleet, and the first warning shots went past my bow. I aligned for warp to a nearby station, and made the following broadcast:
[ 115.03.10 20:38:11 ] Che Biko > I come in PEACE!
I succesfully entered warp, but not before 8 scourge heavy missiles damaged my shields. I discussed what happened on The Summit, and I was advised to maintain distance from the fleet. Someone also suggested that I was fired upon because of my ethnicity, which I thought was an unlikely scenario.
Around 20:48, I warped back to a spot 100 km from the beacon. I waited for a moment, then proceeded to the beacon at full sub-warp speed.
At 20:51:12, when I arrived there, I brought my ship to a full stop, thinking I would be safe there, as I was only fired upon earlier when I left the beacon and moved towards the titan.
At 20:51:22 my ship was targeted and destroyed with a single shot.

While I don't fully agree with how the Caldari fleet handled the situation, I can understand that the current political and military situation has put the State troops on edge. And it would not be the first time that a someone, who was believed to be a Gallente capsuleer that advocated peace, did something unexpected. But I don't think I did anything that warranted the destruction of my ship.
And while I'd like to believe that they wouldn't have destroyed my ship if there were other people on board, I'm not entirely sure of that. Regardless, I do not wish that this incident will be used as an excuse for those that want to fuel the flames of war.

I would like to make the following recommendation:
If the beacon is placed in a position where an unsuspecting traveller might be considered a threat, then I suggest moving it further away from the Caldari fleet, and to warn ships warping to it about the possible consequences of straying away from the beacon and coming too close to the fleet.

If there are any questions, I can be contacted, and will try to answer them to the best of my ability.

In closing, after some further discussion and the aquisition of a new shuttle, I made the following broadcasts:
"Fine, blow my shuttle up, I'm still in favor of your planet being [in] the hands of the State. I still favor peace between our nations."
"Commander of the Caldari fleet in orbit of Caldari Prime: I will be returning shortly, but I will keep a distance of 50 KM this time, as I've been advised that [that] should be a sufficient distance for you to not feel threatened by an unarmed shuttle."

I then proceeded with my picketing without further incident, reading the tale of Cold Wind.

Peace,

-Ché Biko
Emile Belfleur
Solar Zouaves
#2 - 2013-03-12 01:31:53 UTC
With all due respect, Captain Biko, what were you attempting to achieve with this whimsical behavior? Who were you trying to impress? And who is going to be provoked by the story of an immortal activist conducting a one-man picket of an occupant fleet and getting his next-to-worthless ship blown up around him because he was making a nuisance of himself?

This "press release" comes across as little more than a rather desperate attempt to get your own name in some kind of headline, even if you have to write the headline yourself. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and acknowledge that you may not have intended it as such, but that is certainly how it comes across to me, and doubtlessly to others, too.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2013-03-12 08:27:16 UTC
At lest it proves that something has changed in the behavior of that Caldari fleet recently.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-03-12 09:39:54 UTC
I expressed this to you when you were mentioning the events in The Summit communication channel:

Even an unarmed and seemingly harmless vessel can be used to gather intelligence and relay information, provide a warp-in signature for a larger fleet and a number of other actions that could be considered "threatening."

Regardless of your stated intentions, a military commander cannot afford to be indecisive or swayed by every individual claiming to support peace. It is the commander's duty to protect those under their charge and secure their service post from any and all potential threats.

While you may not agree with how the situation was handled, from the military commander's viewpoint, it is better to gun down a self-professing harmless ship than to risk summary destruction every time a "neutral" vessel arrives.

~Malcolm Khross

Lorcan Orphrey
Abthane Laboratories
#5 - 2013-03-12 10:53:56 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Tekaima, March 11th 115 YC
Around 20:38, I was being locked by part of the fleet, and the first warning shots went past my bow.
Around 20:48, I warped back to a spot 100 km from the beacon. I waited for a moment, then proceeded to the beacon at full sub-warp speed.


You were warned off and you returned. What did you expect? I don't think your forgiveness is needed by the State.
Aaron Canis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-12 12:13:50 UTC
You're unarmed and in a war zone. That alone should tell you the risks involved.

With that in mind it is your choice to take that risk or not. I don't think that you have any basis in complaining on the loss of your ship.

By blood, I'm not the biggest fan of the Caldari but if I was put in a similar position I would have removed anyone that had any potential of threat. Scouting, sabotage, an unarmed ship can have many useful purposes in war.

As for your multiple statements that you came in peace, as a capsuleer, can you really trust anyone?

That being said, I find your efforts on peace admirable though misguided as this is a violent life we live. I also understand your reasoning for this statement and find it admirable as well, BUT I think both sides have other things on their mind at the moment.

With respect,
Aaron Canis

Knoot Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-12 13:32:13 UTC
Individuals who fancy straying into enemy formations mid-battle tend to find themselves eliminated from the gene-pool fast. Capsuleers are an unfortunate exception from this general rule. While the views of mr. Biko are commendable, the execution is severely lacking.

Mr. Biko, I would suggest that you gain a negotiating mandate from the Federal Government to conclude a treaty that is in line with your views, then return to Caldari space. Preferably at the head of a properly mandated Federal diplomatic team.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#8 - 2013-03-13 19:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Emile Belfleur wrote:
With all due respect, Captain Biko, what were you attempting to achieve with this whimsical behavior? Who were you trying to impress? And who is going to be provoked by the story of an immortal activist conducting a one-man picket of an occupant fleet and getting his next-to-worthless ship blown up around him because he was making a nuisance of himself?

This "press release" comes across as little more than a rather desperate attempt to get your own name in some kind of headline, even if you have to write the headline yourself. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and acknowledge that you may not have intended it as such, but that is certainly how it comes across to me, and doubtlessly to others, too.
The first question is answered in the press release. The answer to the second is "nobody". The third... I don't know. You?
As for how my press release comes across, perhaps you can give me some clues about how it could be written in a way that it doesn't make me look like someone hungry for the limelight? I was kind of counting on the IGS pilots knowing me well enough to not come to such conclusions, but it appears I was wrong.
Edit: Also, I did not inform the media about this press release, while I did inform them about my petition. I know I can't offer proof of that, but perhaps one of the press organizations can confirm this.
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Even an unarmed and seemingly harmless vessel can be used to gather intelligence and relay information, provide a warp-in signature for a larger fleet and a number of other actions that could be considered "threatening."
Mr. Khross and Mr. Canis: Those ships are likely cloaked and present as we speak, and don't do stuff that gets them blown up. And the Caldari fleet is likely assuming their presence as well, and the destruction of my shuttle does nothing to change the tactical situation. At least as far as I can see, but like I said, I'm not very experienced and knowledgeable in the military field, nor should anyone be expected to be. How many civilians have been shot at checkpoints because they unknowingly displayed "threathening" behaviour?
But yes, as I said before, I made some mistakes. I admit it was in part my fault. I'm not complaining, I merely want to prevent similar, and possibly more lethal, incidents like this.
Lorcan Orphrey wrote:
You were warned off and you returned. What did you expect?
As I explained, I expected I would be safe at the beacon, as I was not fired upon during the 8 minutes that I stayed there after the first time I warped in.
Knoot Enderas wrote:
Mr. Biko, I would suggest that you gain a negotiating mandate from the Federal Government to conclude a treaty that is in line with your views, then return to Caldari space. Preferably at the head of a properly mandated Federal diplomatic team.
I don't think I'm the right man for that job. Besides, people might think that I did it for the headlines.
Emile Belfleur
Solar Zouaves
#9 - 2013-03-14 04:15:31 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
The first question is answered in the press release. The answer to the second is "nobody". The third... I don't know. You?
As for how my press release comes across, perhaps you can give me some clues about how it could be written in a way that it doesn't make me look like someone hungry for the limelight? I was kind of counting on the IGS pilots knowing me well enough to not come to such conclusions, but it appears I was wrong.
Edit: Also, I did not inform the media about this press release, while I did inform them about my petition. I know I can't offer proof of that, but perhaps one of the press organizations can confirm this.

My advice would have been to write nothing at all, or better yet, to not indulge in this kind of activism to begin with. There are proper channels to send such petitions through, and picketing a foreign warship - or anythhing at all, really - isn't one of them.

I'll be blunt, Captain. You're not going to change any Caldari minds or sway any Caldari decisions by camping on their lawn and waving slogans in their faces. At best they will simply ignore you. At worst, they will perceive your efforts as an example of the much-reviled "Gallente cultural imperialism" they like to go on about.

No. If you really want to make a difference in this matter, your best approach would be to study Caldari etiquette, secure yourself a position of some diplomatic authority (either personally or by proxy) and then submit your petition to the Caldari leadership in the way that they would be most comfortable with.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#10 - 2013-03-14 08:19:19 UTC
Given the self-pompous title of the topic and the overall sentiment, I'd say this has less to do about forgiveness and more about attention and fake martyrdom.

Did we really need a whole IGS topic about this?
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#11 - 2013-03-14 10:29:39 UTC
At what point did you think it would be a good idea to go public about interfering with military operations and admitting that you weren't expecting the consequences because of extreme incompetence?

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Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-03-14 11:57:22 UTC
Everyone loves Dickers.
For those of you unfamiliar with the term, Dickers are unarmed enemy combatants posing as civilians, they spot for enemy artillery or tell an enemy force whenever we left camp. They're part and parcel of any half decent insurgency on the basis that a civ on his communicator looks like a civ on his communication device and so it's impossible to tell who is a dicker and who's just letting his misuss he'll be late for dinner. Kids are also used for this job, on the basis that if we shot them for dicking us, we'd incur the wrath of the locals. It can also be done in space, for instance a velator looks like a velator, you don't know if that velator is going to be a warp in for a Gallente fleet, or if its getting visual intelligence on you.
Safest thing to do in space therefore is provide a warning and then light him up. My hat goes off to the gunners, that's not an easy shot.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Lorcan Orphrey
Abthane Laboratories
#13 - 2013-03-14 14:41:13 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Mr. Khross and Mr. Canis: Those ships are likely cloaked and present as we speak, and don't do stuff that gets them blown up.


I guess that is the reason they're not making posts about forgiveness?

Che Biko wrote:
As I explained, I expected I would be safe at the beacon, as I was not fired upon during the 8 minutes that I stayed there after the first time I warped in.


Were the eight missiles that hit you already not enough of a hint as to what the warning shot meant? It seems that you think beacons marking the site of large military fleets are for civilian sightseeing.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#14 - 2013-03-14 17:09:35 UTC
Emile Belfleur wrote:
There are proper channels to send such petitions through, and picketing a foreign warship - or [anything] at all, really - isn't one of them.[..]
You're not going to change any Caldari minds or sway any Caldari decisions by camping on their lawn and waving slogans in their faces. At best they will simply ignore you. At worst, they will perceive your efforts as an example of the much-reviled "Gallente cultural imperialism" they like to go on about.
The location was chosen as it was most relevant to the subject. Perhaps shooting at unrelated monuments would be a more accepted form of protest, but that's not my style. And if I make the impression that it's mostly the Caldari I'm trying to reach, than I should start making a whole lot more posts.
Leopold Caine wrote:
Given the self-pompous title of the topic [..] I'd say this has less to do about forgiveness [..]Did we really need a whole IGS topic about this?
Quite right, mister Caine. This is not about forgiveness, this is about preventing similar incidents. The fact that people seem to disagree with me only makes this publication more of a necessity, in my opinion. I have changed the title.
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
At what point did you think it would be a good idea to go public about interfering with military operations and admitting that you weren't expecting the consequences because of extreme incompetence?
About halfway between the incident and the publication.
Lorcan Orphrey wrote:
Che Biko wrote:
Mr. Khross and Mr. Canis: Those ships are likely cloaked and present as we speak, and don't do stuff that gets them blown up.
I guess that is the reason they're not making posts about forgiveness?
[..]
Were the eight missiles that hit you already not enough of a hint as to what the warning shot meant? It seems that you think beacons marking the site of large military fleets are for civilian sightseeing.
My guess would be that they are not allowed to do such things, and that the current trend in the Federation seems to be about pointing fingers and making inflammatory comments.

I think I clearly stated how I interpreted the fact that I was shot upon.
I am not the only one who uses these beacons for sightseeing. The Leviathan is quite a sight worth seeing, and people actually do travel there for precisely that reason. As far as I know, beacons are navigation objects, they typically serve as a marker for a warp-in point.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#15 - 2013-03-14 18:25:44 UTC
If they didn't shoot at you, there wouldn't be anything to protest, would there?

Do not warp to zero on any titan, including one in your own fleet. They do not like to be bumped. Unless you are in Goonswarm. Now you know. Consider it a learning opportunity and move on.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#16 - 2013-03-15 21:11:16 UTC
Miss Noh,

You and others appear to not understand why I was picketing. For those who have questions about that, you can do so in this thread, or send me a mail.
To answer this particular question: there's always a cause. In this case it is preventing increased hostilities between the Federation and the State.

If I recall correctly, the beacon is around 20 km from the titan, low risk of bumping.
But yes, I have learned some things, and when circumstances allow me to do do so, I will move on.