Skill Discussions

I do like that.

I also get a kick out of something I saw early on too -- a lot of folks around here do come across like the plant from little shop of horrors -- "feed me Seymore!"

So - statistical info you can look at that has a bit more of a foundation to it than what you see and hear. I think I might be able to help a bit on this score.

Let's first start off with this: I am not going to waste a great deal of time trying to convince you of things you don't understand. Instead, I'm going to *NOT* answer you directly but instead point you at data so you can get your own answers.

Real info - that *YOU* have to dig through so you can see for yourself vs my telling you "bullshit" -- just see for yourself.

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First I'll need an example victim to get you started: (my apologies to him but I picked him off the KB's from recent NC action)

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Valince%20Olacar -- February start date.

His Killboard history so far: http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=44252

he's new and still learning so don't expect to see a ton of stuff. First he had to get fittings that would work, etc.

A related killmail showing one of the fights he was in: http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=72047

14 uni attackers vs 1 defender/victim -- *splat* and podded. welcome to PvP in EVE. "fair fight" -- what's that?

-- There's your 1 "gimmie" starter. You go searching for the rest. It shouldn't be hard to find them on your own. Just browse that board a bit looking at the kills and losses and you'll find the newbies involved in them.

Losses and such are also commented so people can try to understand what the hell happened - so that should help you understand better.

I've been in a fleet with a member who lost 2 ships but got 8 kills in 1 big battle -- they'd been playing EVE for 3 weeks and if you check, I'm sure you'll find plenty of others like that.

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People aren't lying to you when they say the SP isn't all of it. It is a bit of bunk when they imply you can go it alone from the get-go and do fine PvP'ing in this game - and if that's what you expect, this probably won't be a fun game for you.

"Friends" is also a bit much around here unless you bring RL friends with you.

It's more acquaintances and associations but friendships do come about - this place is a tad brutal for the use of the word "friends" too early on. Way too many backstabbing types that get their jollies out of trashing any and everyone they can -- but it can and does work if you put forth a bit of effort getting to know folks.

If EVE has a problem, it's brutalizing new people and warning them so severely that they aren't willing to trust anyone to offer real help and advise.

Hell, even your "talk to your victimizer, he'll be glad to explain!" types tend to speak after you've been gutted and slapped around -- their old "HTFU" logic from the get-go doesn't work well for getting new people into the game far enough, with enough support, to actually find it worth while to stick around.

THAT is a different issue than SP. Seriously - the basics... First you need to know the basics - *AND* get hands-on experience with them. *THEN* you'll find expanding options to be more desirable. Not knowing and losing it all... Not a good way to keep folks so slow and steady is better than "be there *NOW*" - way too much to learn getting there.

Well this is exactly your problem. You are to stubborn to figure out eve. I thought the same way you did for a very long time. I persisted and was eventually able to fly a battleship capable of soloing level 4 missions. However, I realized that wasn't exactly what I thought it would be. I then looked into the pvp aspect of the game, and found a home in faction warfare. I have made more money from pvp and had more fun than I could have ever imagined.

In short, a 2 month old character can excel in faction warfare and many other areas of the game. Find something on the game that you like or go play another one.

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Has anyone noticed the OP is long gone?

So harsh! You're probably one of those mean pirates that blew up my officer fitted raven I was trying to autopilot though lowsec... Can't you just try to be nice! We have feelings here!!!

I can completely understand where the OP is coming from. It is hard to get into Eve and it is frustrating how long it takes to train up skills. I think a simple fix could be giving players under say 5 mill SP a skill modifier.If the player was smart this would allow the effective use of Cruisers etc a bit quicker and would help new players out while not really changing anything for older players.

OP, just think how much you could have learnt about the game in the time you spent being 'assassinated' by people who were giving straight and factual answers (just not the answers you wanted to hear).

I don't think it is broken.

IRL I spent 2 years at college (UK) to train for my chosen career. I didn't wake up and expect to have acquired that knowledge by magic. I went and found where I could learn this, from people who already knew about it.

I then wanted to further my career, so back to college I went for a further 3 years (night school).

I have progressively covered about 20 courses over the last 15 years including a 3 day course on EMC last week because I needed to learn it.

Stop expecting to have everything handed to you on a plate. Accept the fact that you have to build up in stages.

If you don't know or understand something, find out. Eve has some of the best player developed apps and manuals I have seen for any game (Python, EveMon, EFT, Eve Uni Wiki). Or join a corp and make use of the experience in there.

3 months into the game I was running with a WH Corp who advised me on my skill queue to be effective, they walked me through what I needed to know and even gave me my first BC (fitted) which I couldn't afford isk wise myself.

3 years later, I am in a position and happy to help newer players in the same way thanks to this experience.

While I think this discussion has run its course as long as CCP refrains from giving even the tiniest bit of input, a statement of this dimension of ridicule can't be left uncommented.


Please provide ANY skill that is strictly NEEDED to play the game. You could easily play the game by sitting in a station all day doing nothing. Wouldn't be much fun, but it would be playing the game..after a fashion.

I started to PVP after a month or so.

You definitely don't need 1.5 years of skill training.

How long until you could play via ISK/PLEX and spend the majority of your time PvP-ing? You'd have to be a hugely successful pirate to achieve that after a month.