Market Discussions

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Perfect is practical for some things and impractical for most things. For example, it is practical and desired for things like Fuel Blocks (ME 40). It is impractical for things like Drakes (which would take > 5000 years to get to "perfect").

My advice is to check the markets for what you think you're interested in. For example, Drones tend to sell with ME100, PE 100 because that is expected, even though it is past perfect for some drones. Battlecruiser BPC have ME all over the place, from 10 (about 1 month's research) to 100 (closer to a year).

As someone allready suggested before , if you have no isk to place as collateral towards a client then he's a fool to just hand it over to a guy who hasn't been doing this service for a longer time.And this is coming from someone who's foolish enough to loan billions of isk to unknown without collateral ....

You say you got 30 M , now as usuall i checked your forumposts wich you should not take personal btw it's a bad habbit i got from doing loans too long and i see you have been making about 6 or so threads about this business starting somewhere mid january.By now the isk you could have available to offer as collateral or place in it should be a lot higher then 30M.

Let's just put it this way , you can ask for help on every step of the way but if you yourself don't do the right planning/working to establish this goal then by sumer it will still be nothing but a dream.

Make isk , mission/mine/trade or whatever to get yourself a decent amount of isk and from there start working towards this goal of yours because by the looks of it your progress rate is stunningly low.If something doesn't work for you then it's allways an option to turn your back on it for a while and return to it once you have a better general idea of how to make it work and the means to make it work.Try and gather info through google in your spare time , if your into excell ' /me shivers' then you can make some calculations and such while mining.In the past mining for me was a great way to make isk while focussing attention on other stuff for example.

I'd disagree on that.

If you assume that every player acts sensibly and with full information, then sure, nobody would use this service.

In reality, if you advertise the service well enough you will get customers.

No no no no and no. PERFECT PE is generally a massive waste of time, and on higher end bpos is not even worth consideration.

Additionally, Chruker is a terrible tool to use. Perfect ME and PE, 9 times out of 10, is unrealistic, and undesired, considering they are paying you to research for levels with very little to no return. Check out http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo for a far superior tool on calculating ideal ME/PE levels.

As for a feasible way to offer the service, you have a couple options as far as I can tell:

1: Provide collateral for the value of the bpo, and research it yourself, return it when researched, for the negotiated price. Perhaps take a deposit.

2: Create your own research corp, set up a tower, and have someone like Grendell lock down the bpos. You would pay him a monthly fee, provided he agreed to this service, and in turn he would garauntee the safety of the other party's bpos, while you researched them.

3: You join the other persons corp, and with very limited roles, you research their bpos at their tower.


TL:DR; Chruker is bad and anyone who links it should feel bad. Use http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo

No, advertising works on all sorts of products and services.

It doesn't have to be a scam. While shill alts and fake testimonials are one way of promoting something they certainly are not the only way or the best way.

I am not suggesting that the OP start a three card monty stand or start peddling snake oil. He already has a service that he can provide. It just isn't a particularly great service when you stack it up against the competition. The thing is that the competition are terrible at advertising their service, so most EVE players have no idea they exist. The OP, by advertising his service well, can capture the hundreds if not thousands of EVE players that wish to get quick research done on their BPOs and are unaware of, or are unwilling to persue, the alternatives.

If you are unconvinced then I suggest you look at Grendell and BMBE. Grendell has a huge amount of isk loaned out and this has been so for some time. BMBE has been struggling to find people to take out loans and it's isk pile has been languishing. Even after BMBE reduced their prices to be competitive, this situation did not change. The reason for this is that BMBE does not advertise effectively (if at all) and when asked about the prospect of advertising appears to have no real idea about it. Grendell on the other hand has always had a decent handle on self-promotion and has built himself up as a popular and well-known brand within EVE. It doesn't matter that TornSoul's service is comparable to Grendell's, because very few people know it exists. This is not just a matter of trust, because BMBE has been around for an eternity and it's testimonials are more than adiquate, it is a matter of visibility.

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I've started working on some groups of BPO's to sell together, specifically ammo and drones, and for the most part they have differing ME levels that make sense (basically making it so only 1 or 2 Tritanium is wasted) so my question is, should I just make a flat baseline ME among the group, say 30, or should I research them until they make since which means some of them require 31, some 27, etc? Just not sure if they will be more appealing if they are all the same level regardless if it make sense or not when you actually look at the wastage for each. Thanks guys