Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would rather them work from the bottom up and not screw it up .

There is no room for those. What role would they fill? We don't need a 2000 dps Navy Brutix

Faction BC... Logi booster: Give em a role bonus to boost logi in gang.

Just a minor thing but, why not change the description to read, 10% bonus to missile damage and a 10% bonus to kinetic charge damage"

Bit simpler to read.

It may be off topic but I believe this should be also part of this conversation.

Can you seperate the web/scram boost of Minmatar boosters?.

I mean web is minmatar recon bonus so loki/claymore should give bonus to web range, while warp disrupting range should be governed by proteus/eos.

Right now the point/web range boost is more or less the only bonus in game which cannot be duplicated by any other means (save for buying expensive faction/deadspace mods for individual ships). Seperating them would be a good start towards rebalancing OGB's, which is a very critical factor when balancing kiting missile setups.

In fact, you could just get rid of point/web range bonus altogether :P But it wouldn't be an elegant solution.

Further more reducing effectivenes of ALL gang links and increasing the bonuses on specialized ships would make using cross-faction modules more problematic. If you want specialized minmatar bonuses, you shouldn't really get nearly same performance for non-minmatar links.

In general terms, I like it. But need to test a bit to see how hard/easy is to fit those things. I am in favor of navy ships never beign something HARD to fit .

The rocket firetail Idea MIGHT not be bad. But need careful study. Rockets are harder to balance than guns on very fast movign frigates.

Because 2 x 50% bonuses equate to a 125% bonus instead of a 100% bonus. That is how that description would be understood.

20% to kinetic and 10% to em, thermal and explosive reads fine.

Comet needs to make siren sounds play on your target's computer when you yellow-boxed them. Regardless of their sound settings.

I find these changes refreshing.

I want to take a different tact on my comments...

I am still new enough at the game that having a fun ship to fly when I am not skilled to "5's" is important and these are the special "shiny" ships that newbies can get into almost as soon as they have the isk.

What AF's, etc are great to compare them too, for many players the AFs are weeks to months away.

Testing these ships with a toon that is all "3's" is important. This is the first real step up that many of the new players have.

While experienced players want to look at them with max skills, many of them are actually flown by newer players that don't have those skills and can't use some of the modules that make many of the fits that are discussed in the thread possible.

Yes - unbalancing the game with these ships at max skils is bad, but doing things to these ships that make them less fun at low skill levels is also bad.

The firetail is one of the ships that newbies like because they can out run most rats without an AB or a MWD. Taking that speed away takes a unique mechanic out of the game for newer players.

The role bonuses are nice because if you can fly it, you get it. For these ships specifically - I would rather see more of the bonus in the role bonus than in skill bonuses - that leaves more of the uniqueness to the ship and not the skills over time and reduces the tendency for the ship to be over powered when the skills are max'ed.

And NO they are not noobie ships, NO they are not cheap, but young, inexperienced pilots love to talk about having one of these and flying it. In their hands in many cases they are expensive targets, which is fine.

I don't know how many chats I have had where one of the new toons has said "That's my new Navy Slicer", "That was my new Navy Slicer" - what ever changes are made should not take away from the desire of new toons to fly these ships.

Please bring back the old paint. It was such a cool looking ship before someone threw shades of green crap all over it.