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CSM chair declaring war on CCP, tells players to bring gasoline.

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2011-09-07 04:22:24 UTC
I remember myself and hundreds of others saying a lot of the things Mittens is saying now months ago.

Why is this news now?

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Manji Lee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2011-09-07 04:32:20 UTC
Let's face it. If Mittens really has the balls and hates whats going. He would resign right away as protest. He's nothing more then a typical american politician.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2011-09-07 04:40:07 UTC
Manji Lee wrote:
Let's face it. If Mittens really has the balls and hates whats going. He would resign right away as protest. He's nothing more then a typical american politician.


Yeah wouldnt limit that too just the US these days.


But everyone wanted the CSM to go in to play hardball to begin with. Most of use saw the writing on the wall in the leaked mail and Internal Mag. Instead we got Chamberlain "Peace in our time" BS and them worrying about minerals in WHs etc? Lots of fluff jobs from that trip is what i took from it.

And many months late he has the same realization we all had when incarceration hit with one room and 3 plex monos. And it took them trying to rewrite the minutes for him to realize what a snow job they were trying to pull on us? He is more upset they were using him IMO more then anything else.

But if thats what it takes to get him aligned more to my view on CCP abusing the paying customer base then so be it.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#104 - 2011-09-07 04:57:04 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
I remember myself and hundreds of others saying a lot of the things Mittens is saying now months ago.

Why is this news now?


If you listened to the everadio thing, Mittens hardly even said one original word. It wa slike he was reading off an outline with buzzwords like farmville in space and flying in space

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2011-09-07 05:02:15 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
I remember myself and hundreds of others saying a lot of the things Mittens is saying now months ago.

Why is this news now?


If you listened to the everadio thing, Mittens hardly even said one original word. It wa slike he was reading off an outline with buzzwords like farmville in space and flying in space



I only read the articles and it was all stuff everyone said during the week of rage. Only now it seems he is trying to sell it as new stuff he came up with.

But if he can get the goon block to put pressure on CCP then more power too him. I know the real score and thats what matters.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#106 - 2011-09-07 05:20:08 UTC
Said this earlier but it got buried;

Honestly, and this isnt cause I want the game to die but for a reason Ill make more clear in a second, I hope CCP stands up to the CSM, disbands them, tells them to go screw themselves or something. Simply put because if they bend to their pressure, whats to stop the CSM from doing this kind of thing every time they want a change. Then the CSM really WILL have become a monster.

Its like netotating with terrorists lol if you do it once you set a precedence and will have to keep doing it.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Azhpol
Casa Del Wombat
Nuclear Arms Exchange
#107 - 2011-09-07 05:48:02 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Said this earlier but it got buried;

Honestly, and this isnt cause I want the game to die but for a reason Ill make more clear in a second, I hope CCP stands up to the CSM, disbands them, tells them to go screw themselves or something. Simply put because if they bend to their pressure, whats to stop the CSM from doing this kind of thing every time they want a change. Then the CSM really WILL have become a monster.

Its like netotating with terrorists lol if you do it once you set a precedence and will have to keep doing it.


Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT. Eve isn't popular because of highsec, eve is popular because people hear stories about the crazy stuff going on in null, and want to check out the game that allows that. You lose the nullsec crowd, and eve will die a slow, stagnant death.

So its negotiate with terrorists or die, and there is too much money at stake for them to allow eve to die(at least til GlitterVamp2000 comes out, and they can sell pretty princess to idiot emo kids)

On day, I will have a signature, til then I have this.

Flamespar
WarRavens
#108 - 2011-09-07 05:59:17 UTC
Azhpol wrote:

Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT.


I think you slightly over-estimate the importance of this CSM. Pirate
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2011-09-07 07:17:39 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Azhpol wrote:

Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT.


I think you slightly over-estimate the importance of this CSM. Pirate

that the "Nuclear Winter" memo was preceded by "GSF Comes to World of Tanks" was completely coincidental and totally not meant to be noticed by CCP...
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#110 - 2011-09-07 07:24:36 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
tbh the way I see things is:

adding Incarna = ok
adding Incarna in deterrent of the rest of the other features = not ok


still think that if Incarna was totally optional from the onset (no, the makeshift "temporary" solution in the options IS NOT ok) like CCP promised, the community whiplash would be far less.


But the problem isn't Incarna itself. The problem is plainly and simply the NeX store.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.

Jita Alt666
#111 - 2011-09-07 07:29:29 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Azhpol wrote:

Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT.


I think you slightly over-estimate the importance of this CSM. Pirate


Without wanting to stroke the Mittani's already well established ego: Goons are essentially an out of game organisation. They have some 6000 in game characters and some 150000 out of game members. Like almost all 0.0 groups they have out of alliance support alts/accounts (traders, PI runners, spies, locator agent alts, sleeper accounts, wormhole isk funders). If the Mittani decides to leave Eve, the vast majority of these characters will go with him.

Considering the current financial state of CCP (leaked on multiple out of game forums) losing an additional 3000+ accounts in one hit, along with the give no fucks releases to the media this would encompass, this CSM is the most relevant of any in Eve Online's history.

Eve is a terrible single player game. It is a moderately entertaining multiplayer game (I am being optimistic here). When it reaches a critical mass of declination, it will reach a failcascade point of no return. Mittani could enguineer that.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2011-09-07 07:33:57 UTC
Yep, last time Goons pulled out the mass unsub card out (in response to T20) led to the creation of the CSM in the first place.
El'Niaga
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2011-09-07 07:55:00 UTC
CCP upper management already made the decision, while they aren't being nearly as caustic as SOE and LA officials at the NGE rollout in essence they have no clue what they are doing. They've had a business model mapped out and are following it to their doom just like SOE and LA's infamous focus groups for SWG.

The CSM has no power, never did. The only things that were implemented that it has suggested were already on the slate to be implemented. All the CSM is is a firewall between management and the player base. That's all it was ever intended to be. It serves about the same purpose as the SWG Senate back in 2005. Mostly kept in the dark about what really is going on and then expected to buffer between players and management when things blow up.

I'm sorry if anyone felt they were anything more than this, but they aren't.

Incarna was rolled out in an incompetent fashion. It was rolled out not even 1/4 finished and for no other reason than to meet some suits imaginary deadline. As such they missed the boat. What could have been a great expansion and pulled more people into eve instead has alienated those same folks who come find you can only sit in one station style and not interact with anyone. It should never have been released when it was. Working on it now is counterproductive really, the boat sailed and they missed it due to incompetent management. Continued work on it just stagnates other areas of the game long since ignored by management.

Incarna was like the CU for SWG, and we've seen similar trends in a decline in average users. The Winter Expansion could be the NGE if they aren't careful. What they need is to release at least a moderate amount of news ships and mods to change the mix. That's about the only thing that will reinvigorate EVE at this point. (You know those promised ships from winning contests, the long promised t3 frigates and t3 battleships (and hopefully a t3 industrial/miner combo). Just ships that do new things like maybe some Ammatar ships that take elements from both Amarr and Minmatar.

While certainly Seleene when he worked for CCP buffed Supercarriers to much, the fact remains that nerfing them will not change anything at this point. They already exist. It wasn't the supercarriers really that won things, yes they maybe made it easier but the truth was the DRF's dedication to building supercarriers and fielding them. The NC had as many if not more supers than the DRF on paper but in the end their pilots were not willing to engage after a couple of battles. That's what killed the NC (along with that foolish sanctum nerf). The Russians are dedicated, nerf their supers and they'll just come in battleships. They can build them probably 100 times faster. So basically you gain nothing. Instead it would be better to see new ship types emerge to deal with the situation. Drone Inerdiction ships, Heavy Battlecruisers, Heavy Stealth Bombers, Minelayers, etc. There is a plethora of things that could be done to drastically change the battlefield while still rewarding those who chose to dedicate their time and effort to building supercarriers.
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#114 - 2011-09-07 08:04:30 UTC
Azhpol wrote:

Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT. Eve isn't popular because of highsec, eve is popular because people hear stories about the crazy stuff going on in null, and want to check out the game that allows that. You lose the nullsec crowd, and eve will die a slow, stagnant death.

So its negotiate with terrorists or die,



Maybe. Or a sudden power vacuum in 0.0 could create invigorating turmoil over the scraps and herald a new age of cloaky bot trolling, ninja smallholding and unregulated ingame mischief on a scale that hasn't been possible for years now.

Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Jita Alt666
#115 - 2011-09-07 08:08:44 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Azhpol wrote:

Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT. Eve isn't popular because of highsec, eve is popular because people hear stories about the crazy stuff going on in null, and want to check out the game that allows that. You lose the nullsec crowd, and eve will die a slow, stagnant death.

So its negotiate with terrorists or die,



Maybe. Or a sudden power vacuum in 0.0 could create invigorating turmoil over the scraps and herald a new age of cloaky bot trolling, ninja smallholding and unregulated ingame mischief on a scale that hasn't been possible for years now.


Sudden power vacuum in 0.0? How about increased capacity of DRF to hold all of 0.0.
Prince Kobol
#116 - 2011-09-07 08:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
In regards to the threat of the goons leaving the game.

Most players wouldn't give a **** and would most likey laugh and celebrate if they did leave.

Also chances are many would be back after a few weeks because that is what they are like.

I don't understand why people do not understand that CCP DO NOT CARE.

Look at this from the suits point of view.

As far as they are concerned you guys are nothing but a collection of kiddies stomping your feet.

CCP are no different from any other MMO Developer, they do not act upon anything that the players do. At most they will play lip service but that is it.

SoE proved this with SWG, Turbine have proved this with Lotro. In both case they lost a large number of players but continued on the path they believed was right.

You can protest all you want, you can un-sub, you can leak anything you want to online gaming publications, it DOES NOT MATTER.

The main reason nothing will change has already been stated, if CCP give in to any kind of protest it sets a precedent, a very dangerous precedent.

It will mean that you will constantly get large alliances banding together threatening to leave on mass if they do not get there own way.

Even after all the bad press CCP suffered a few months back, the mass of peope who unsubbed, the protests in Jita, what did any of that accomplish..... Nothing, absolutely nothing
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#117 - 2011-09-07 08:56:02 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Azhpol wrote:

Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT. Eve isn't popular because of highsec, eve is popular because people hear stories about the crazy stuff going on in null, and want to check out the game that allows that. You lose the nullsec crowd, and eve will die a slow, stagnant death.

So its negotiate with terrorists or die,



Maybe. Or a sudden power vacuum in 0.0 could create invigorating turmoil over the scraps and herald a new age of cloaky bot trolling, ninja smallholding and unregulated ingame mischief on a scale that hasn't been possible for years now.


Sudden power vacuum in 0.0? How about increased capacity of DRF to hold all of 0.0.


Dont russians hold all of it now?
Seems like one group holding all of 0.0 is what CCP wants

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

El'Niaga
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2011-09-07 09:00:54 UTC
The DRF does not control all of 0.0.

Goons and their allies control the west.

-A- and its allies though having lost some ground still control a good part of the south.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#119 - 2011-09-07 13:18:52 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:

Large Collidable Object wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:

"games should dot be developed in a democratic direction" - Mittani

funny given how he got where he is



He ordered goons to vote for him?


The democratic system (flawed as it is in this game) got him to the CSM but he thinks there shouldnt be such systems in games. Maybe he realizes just how much damage he can do lol


So what? Hitlar wasn't supporting democracy either, yet got elected democratically.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#120 - 2011-09-07 13:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
RougeOperator wrote:
I remember myself and hundreds of others saying a lot of the things Mittens is saying now months ago.

Why is this news now?



And your not the only one who says that, I gues The Mittani finally got it, it only took a few months.

The Mittani wrote:
This has been unusual. I posted I can only take from this that the message itself is something that resonates with most of the playerbase and those who follow EVE.



Welcome to the revolution man, now grab a shovel, your late.

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