Wormholes

if youre running with BSs for DPS you don't need the booster if your triage pilot is sh*t hot.
if youre doing dread + loki + carrier you need the web range one at the very least since the loki is extremely likely to be webbed and won't be moving into web range anywhere near quickly enough.

Eh, I'm of the opinion that it's perfectly fine to do with 4 pilots.

1 Moros
1 Archon (doesn't need triage, I ran without triage for a while until my character trained it)
1 Loki who can also fly a noctis
1 Legion w/ all 3 legion links and the web distance skirmish link.

Makes you between 1.5-2bil per hour (at least when i was doing it, i dunno what nanoribbon prices are now, but it shouldn't change that much). It was taking me about 11 minutes per site, (from warp in to warp in on the next site, including salvage etc...).

Having two dreads is more efficient with respect to extracting isk from the wormhole, but I didn't have two dread characters at the time and my computer can't run 5 clients nicely.

I want to thank you Jack for making this guide.

This guide probably pushed some people over the edge to start doing cap esco's. And if we can catch just one of those people when they are doing sites it is all worth it

For the 'non archon' club - yeah imma livin in a pulsar.

We use 2 chimera and 2 dread and1 or 2 huggins.

1 chimera needs to be triage fitted.
2 huggins are better than one for webbing painting.
rev or moros - it truly doesn't matter. Any combination of the 2 types and you always finish the site before the second siege cycle is up. I tend to warp them in at the same time, but some guys stagger them. They are shield tanked in the pulsar, so the damage they toss out might make you armor guys kind of jealous.

What I've gotten away with: 3 guys. 1 guy dual boxes the dreads, 1 guy runs the huggin, 1 guy dual boxes the carriers. DPS is always easy so dualing the dreads is kinda busy, but not a big deal. We keep the logi guy logi only and the webby/painty guy just to that. Funny thing is, with this minimum staffing the reps get easy so we more or less warp the whole fleet in at once and it's not that big of a deal. We lag the huggin just a bit to allow the carrier to triage and get set up before the huggin is on grid.

We use huggins because our newer guys trained in that direction vice the loki direction. We have a few loki pilots that do the loki thing instead of the huggin thing, so I'm not saying you NEED a huggin - that's just how it evolved for us.

Drugs - I like them, but other guys don't bother. They are nice if you only have one webber and lose value as the fleet size (webbing and painting) increases. It's pretty easy math.

Site completion time. We finish them before the second siege cycle is up. I really don't see a need to get it all done in one siege cycle so we rate our efficiency based on how long we have to wait to come out of siege.

Jack's setups are good and proven over time. (no offense intended here Jack) I just worry that guys take them as mandatory. There are a lot of ways to burn through anoms. For smaller corps dual archons or dual moros may not be an option. Don't feel you have to train for a moros - the rev has to wait for its siege cycle to end just like the moros does.

I look at the real efficiency on the dreads by number of siegs cycles (cuz you can't do half a cycle). If you get it done in one cycle I'd say there are too many guys living in your wh. If it takes you 3 you have some room to get better.

Don't get hung up on the fits, the numbers or the split hairs when getting your fleet together. I don't even use faction ammo for sleepers. I'm too lazy (yeah I know - it's that bad) to resupply so I just use the t1 stuff. (I keep a set of faction crystals in a special box labelled "I'm gonna kick your *** Cipreh" in the back of the cargo bay).

Fit what you can fit and work to get 'good enough for sleeper work' then move on funner things!!

Not a bad base to start with.

Got your basics there. A good place to build on.

Although I do have to say that since they changed the way missile rigs work, they now work with Citadel torps, Phoenix dreads can 2 shot escalation sleepers and they don't even need to be webbed down fully.

Granted Phoenix won't be as fast as Moros or Rev's, but it can be hilarious amounts of fun to watch two Phoenix one-shot Sleepers off the field.

Asplosions always makes Bob happy.

He's using chimeras, so it's a shield setup.

Can't see pheonixes actually being good still though, they can't even apply half of their theoretical dps to a fully webbed and TP'd sleepless guardian unless I'm missing something.

Considering I live in a C6 Magnetar and run 3 damage mods on the first dread and 4 on the second, I kinda doubt it ;)

ADHOC guy, I really hope you're trolling about the Phoenixes and Nags...

Any ship can be refit including sieged/triaged if they are within refitting range of a carrier or orca - probably not a good idea to bring an orca in site tho :P

Rapiers can be used but they are quite thin on tank compared to a loki - if your just doing 1 escalation wave or 1 wave with 2-3 BS left from a previous wave they are probaly ok but one that gets webbed down with 2-3 waves on grid will likely be alpha'd through.




Applying citadel missile DPS from a Phoenix on sleepless guardians is extremely hard - we tried it once tho not with any real scientific studying of it in our old pulsar and with something like 1 target painter and 2 webs on a guardian the applied dps was in the region of 700-750...


EDIT: Just been looking at it with the rig changes and infact you can now get about 3K dps out of a phoenix applied to sleepless guardians using T2 rigors, missile implants and 2x TP, 2x web. Thats still pretty low compared to any other dread but the alpha from 2 of them would still be pretty brutal.

They won't be pulling all 4 waves at once - any more than about 2 escalation waves tops and they will be alphaing through the huginn.

What we used to do in a C5 pulsar is drop a rorqual in with the dreads (to keep the webbing ships alive) to get things started and bring the carriers in later.

Ah missed that bit.

Individual sleeper groups don't tend to focus fire with other groups and if you drop the huginns in last and keep them the opposite side of the capitals to the sleepers they will hardly get shot at due to sleepers using preferred sig radius based targetting priorities. But if one does get webbed down and shot at by 2 or more groups theres a high chance it will pop.