EVE General Discussion

CCP had the NPCs give it to you, nuff' said.

I'm really bad at spotting trolls sometimes...

Confirming you cloak your hulks.

Nobody can be sure as its cloaked.

That null sec should be improved is a no brainer.

But pray tell me, why are 7k+ men alliances in null sec since it's so underwhelming and just bad?

I mean, when perma Hulkageddon became expansive enough, miners stopped mining, CCP detected prices quadruplicating in 2 months and proceeded overbuffing barges.

When incursions proved to rise inflation too much, CCP detected prices rising 10% a year and proceeded nerfing them.

When new FW proved to bring in too much income, CCP detected prices rising and nerfed them as well.



So, which indicator of null sec being unbearable is evidence that CCP is going to nerf hi sec?

- The lack of sov claimed space?

- The impossibility to establish anything but gimpy-small alliances?

- The extreme poverty of the populace in there

- The extremely high prices for high ends minerals due to lack of players to mine them?

- The dire and extreme lack of supercaps because nobody can afford them?

Clearly because we like pewpew.


And then they reversed half of those nerfs.


Yeah, well that was ridiculously broken. FW is still pretty profitable, more than it was before the new FW. It's not broken anymore.



- The inability to make a reasonable buff to nullsec that doesn't break industry entirely without nerfing highsec to some extent.

I should also clarify that the nerf to highsec industry would apply to stations only. In fact I think that highsec dwellers should be able to have access to many of the same facilities they do now, provided they do it through a POS.
This way highsec players can have some reasonable access to facilities (not OMFG AMAZINGLY FREE NO ASSEMBLY REQUIRED) with the risk of getting wardecced and having their facilities destroyed, and also requiring some effort to start up.

Small time highsec industrialists will probably find it easier to do their thing because of the nullsec industrialists moving to nullsec, and because of the big-time highsec industrialists moving their work to POSes.

Most people would probably see this as a buff if done properly.


But you're still simply avoiding the issue of why highsec has such advanced, high capacity facilities available to anyone at almost no cost whatsoever, with no investment, no effort, and no risk. What could possibly lead you to believe this is actually good game balance?

Null industry can never be better than Hi in the areas of safety and ease of logistics, so no matter what is done Hi-sec will always have its up sides.

But that isn't ENOUGH for highsec. Highsec should be better in terms of slots and cost as well.

Yeah I was one of those asking for incursions to be nerfed but the partial reversal makes sense, as people had completely stopped doing them.




I have some doubts about the italics sentence, both as how people will see it and about having it done properly (and not in some stupid way, like pizza targeting, "improved inventory" that stayed broken for half a year and so on.




I never avoided admitting that hi sec should be completely removed, feel free to check my past posts including in this thread. If that's avoidance, then I suppose we can start doing it at once and nobody will have an issue with it right?
That'd fix a lot of issues including misbalances.

But since it won't happen, I have to look at what would be the effect of such proposals like yours:

- NPC Refineries, once nerfed at null sec quality would still provide almost no loss to people with proper skills / implants. Thus the nerf would be ineffective for anyone except new players. Do you see anything wrong with this?
That's why I'd have preferred doing something like imposing very long refining times instead of ISK loss.

- Having people set up POSes would be delicious for me: I still have a whole array of faction POSes ready to be deployed, I have BPOs to build tons of POS structures. Also, more POSes deployed means more fuels and in my situation means I'd become hideously richer thanks to that. I also have multiple freighters and JF so logistics are a-OK.
So, for what regards me, go ahead and beat them hard!

Now enter most of the other guys who are not setup like that, I dare say they would be "mildly inconvenienced" for one good year of their gameplay. Does EvE still have such an attraction value that players would bother with that?
There's Elite: dangerous in the make. I'll go check that out myself, imagine the others.


Basically your idea is good game balance (less than my idea to remove hi and low sec but still...) but to me it sounds like those doctors who announce: "the surgery was a success, but the patient died".

Do you really believe that imposing sucky burdens (POS micromanagement that nobody likes) and expenses will gain EvE success on the long term?

In that case I have an Europe to sell you. We are doing so good with austerity at all costs exactly during a crysis...
But as right yesterday a German guy said on TV, "it's fair balance". Hopefully he won't be the first to get lynched when people will revolt thanks to such fairness.

Possibility of loss is one of the few factors that makes EvE an unique and worth playing game. Without it, EvE would be a very outdated, bad made simulation, without dogfights nor interior gameplay, with negligible PvE and still, absolutely basic PvP relying on mouse and on one second long reaction times regardless of the player.