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Just exactly which part of this do you nay sayers not understand?


This thread was made for players to show their positive support for WiS. It didn't say anything about supporting NEX or abandoning FiS. It didn't say spam your negative opinions or bad attitudes here. It didn't say post unsubstantiated rumors or rough estimates or to speculate on reasons.

The funny thing about this is you stubborn nay sayers just don't get it. Every time you post a negative reply, another positive reply gets posted. Thanks to that this thread is turning into a threadnaught. It probably would have died out already if you didn't keep posting here.


Bottom line:
Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content. The combination of DUST and EVE with FiS and WiS will accomplish that. We the players need to change our mind set and be open to that change.

To those that can't adapt, go jump into the nearest Bio-Vat and be done with it.

LoL, please post this Dev statement and evidence stating that DUST and EVE won't be tied together. Why don't you try watching the demonstration and progress report videos made by CCP Dev's explaining how they'll be interactive before posting your narrow minded viewpoints as fact.



Oh really? Please post a few of the limitless ways from the 100's and 100's of ideas already supposedly presented that will expand and create new game content based specifically on FiS.




Care to bet on that? Instead of using your mouth to spew negative troll remarks, put some money in it.


By the way, thanks for being a nay sayer and keeping this thread alive. Guess you'll be one of the first to swan dive into a Bio-Vat.

I would like to see WiS as well but really I have to call bs on this statement; "there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS", your imagination seems lacking.

Telling players to biomass and gtfo when it was CCP that chose the direction for Incarna and thought that one room plus the NEX Store was content is fairly misguided. Why would anyone want to see that version of Incarna added to with Aurum creeping into more and more aspects of station activities over time. Which by the way is one of the reasons we're at this point now.

Honestly I don't know why people aren't looking at CCP and saying what the hell were you guys thinking basically turning Ambulation upside down and removing any sandbox elements just to shoehorn in the cash shop. Not to mention the time and resources that were spent on it.

I don't know about others, but I would have been happy with what was shown as Ambulation as seen in the videos, etc, even with those graphics. Also at least in that the characters retained their unique look, unlike what we have now where additional clothing is worn by all bloodlines in an attempt to maximize the cash shop sales.

I think the goal of NEX store was to give WiS the ressources needed only from those enjoying it. This is why i am in favor of it. Heck i would be ready to pay double sub without even getting any NEX item if i knew for sure it would go toward WiS. But until they give us proof that they continue working on it i will unsub next month.

Ahhh, another one who only see's what they want to see. I have already posted different scenarios for WiS game content in this thread. And I'm not talking about playing poker or getting a lap dance from a NPC stripper. But please, enlighten me with your vast imagination. My exact statement - Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS. - So please, enlighten us.


First of all, I never told anyone to GTFO but I'll gladly extend that invitation to you since you seem bound and determined to twist my statement around and present it completely out of context.

Second, I never once said I supported NEX, MT, P2W, or this new version of Captains Quarters that we now have compared to what was promised and showcased in Ambulation. Trying to imply that I did is complete fail on your part.

Third, the only misguided person here is your self-righteous anger with me. My posted statement was directed to all the negative spam posters flooding this thread who keep lumping Incarna and WiS in the same group with NEX, MT, P2W, and the current CQ engine. The lack of content in the expansion for FiS is a totally different subject.

OK, seems you'd rather twist my statements around than do a little bit of searching. Guess some people just need to be led by the hand.

There's multiple possibility's of game content that can be gained from WiS. There have been lot's of excellent scenarios already posted in the various threads about Incarna. Seriously, contrary to popular belief, playing poker and getting a Lap dance from npc strippers is not the end game for WiS.

Here's a couple of examples, like this and that.

It doesn't take very much imagination to come up with various ideas for game play content. Hell, I'm sure you could even come up with one or two ideas yourself.

So if customers tell a company what they are disappointed by certain decisions it is killing the company. Hmmm. Interesting take, especially after the events of the past year. I'm not sure if I agree yet. Time will tell.

Also, the refusal to understand goes for both sides. This is not a "WiS>FiS" thread. Putting priority on FiS does not mean they can not (ever) work on WiS again. But some people can't seem to get that into their heads, no matter how many times it is mentioned. This whole debate is polarized by some. Fortunatly there are still people trying to find the middle ground.

Why would you be pissed off by them? WiS lovers (yours truly included) were promised WiS. Very emphatically, for months. By Hilmar himself, and every other high-up CCP employee. In fact, you couldn't use a crowbar to beat the idea out of them, even if you tried. WiS was coming, to a theatre near us very soon, and no amount of arguing was ever gonna change their mind.

Then, all of a sudden, it's like: "Nope, changed my mind! You're not getting WiS after all. We'll deploy the bits and pieces we already have done, for good measure, and then we'll shelve the lot (and since we don't ever finish the stuff we do promise to complete even, you realize, of course, you can kiss WiS goodbye, right?)."

So, I ask, who has cause to be pissed? Or at the very least has cause to ask CCP to undue this mindjob they just pulled on us, and, I dunno, keep a promise for a change.

So I played Earth and Beyond from launch till lights out. I played Eve briefly when it first came out (mostly for my job at the time which is another story) and quickly abandoned it to focus on E&B. When E&B lights out was announced I got back into Eve.

Here is what I found more compelling about E&B:

- Walking in stations and dealing with vendors "face to face" and meeing with my guild mates "face to face". There was even a disco.
- The variation throughout space. Every system was unique! Colorful and often pretty.
- Exploration was required to learn to get around.
- The music and sound, in particular how the music was unique to your race and changed dynamically based on your activities and location. I still play the music sometimes as background music.
- Humor - you had a good time in E&B.
- Landing on and flying in planet atmospheres
- Non human space MOBs
- Ship personalization
- Storyline was directly integrated into the game experience and was updated almost every month.
- Immersion in stations, constant videos and ads were fun, even holiday music during the holiday season in stations
- Mining was better
- Random cool ship wrecks to salvage

What I liked about Eve better:

- Player dirven markets and Economy
- Variation of ships and races/skills/carreer paths
- Huge numbers of ships
- Space was HUGE (but sadly looked the same everywhere)
- Larger number of players on at any time
- I could still play it and I had learned I was more interested in a SciFi space game with real space flight than wood elf bards.

So WiS for me was the first step to seeing Eve add back what I missed so much about Earth and Beyond. I would note that Earth and Beyond even when they plug was pulled had more subscriptions than Eve at the time. Earth and Beyond died because EA took the resources away to put on yet another elf and orc game not because there wasn't interest.

When E&B died I tried to get all my friends to move to Eve but most never got over the "I'm a ship, not a person" in Eve thing. I know without a doubt that if CCP does get us past the door, even it if is just to do basic interaction, the new subscription rate will increase and the new folks will be much more likely to stay.

So I am sure there are other folks that could tell you why the starwars game had higher subscriptions that Eve until the dreaded NPE reboot as it also showed what an avatar experience with flying in space can deliver in terms of fun.

So when the FiS zealots shout "go to WoW pathetic care bear" all I can say is they aren't taking a moment to realize that WoW isn't a SciFi game and I am here for a SciFi game. Right now there are very few choices if you prefer space to caves and forests. I'd say for the most part Eve has FiS pretty close to nailed. They have the markets and the ecconomy pretty close to nailed, they could do a little better with some aspects of mining and industry. But what they don't have is the immersion that comes from leaving your ship and remembering you are playing a humanoid in the distant future in a huge future civilization, not just some human autopilot in a ship. Once they add that next part Eve has the potential to become a mainstream game. And that means a lot more money in the pockets of CCP to deliver even better FiS.

So just FiS = Eve the size it is now mostly forever. FiS + WiS = Eve approaching WoW in player base. You FiS only guys need to realize that.

(Oh, and if CCP really wants to make Eve better, fix the sound and the music! Study after study have shown how much more emotional connection occurs when you get those right! Most folks I know in Eve don't even listen to the sounds and music in Eve which shows what a failure CCP has been with that aspect of Eve.)

Issler

If I drink too much beer, I gotta WiS something fierce.