Science & Industry

Your scope's too expansive

You need to split invention separately. Typically, you only need 1 inventor per 1-2 account, UNLESS you intend to dedicate almost all your time to T2 manufacturing.
You then extend your T2 inventor to do T3 reverse engineering, hull and subs manufacturing as the skills overlap.

All proper manufacturing alts need to have Production Efficiency 5 and at least 10 manufacturing slots. In addition to the industry skills, you'll note that T2 manufacturing also involves all the science skills associated to the datacores (17 skills total). T3 subs manufacturing should typically be handled by your inventor. Also note that certain T1 manufacturing requires misc skills e.g. Engineering 5 (for the Prototype Cloak), I'm sure there's a spreadheet somewhere that lists all of these reqs. Rigs manufacturing needs all the associated rigging skills to a certain level for T1/T2 rigs. Ship manufacturing has its own set of skills
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... you get the general idea how expansive things can get, and I haven't even commented on Point 3.

Your scope needs to be more specific and more focused.

Thank you both for your quick replies.

Sturmwolke I realize that my scope is huge. but then again if it wasnt my goal, this game would be fulfilled way to fast and I would get bored (as i usually do when i have done what i set out to do) and quite playing. so for those reasons i am going to keep my goals the way they are.

otherwise you both have some great input and suggestions. i of course will do my own research and establish a plan of my own.
and i would like to thank you for the suggests, for they are going to be my plans starting point. a corner stone if you will.

Research agents are going to be nerfed hard, and potentially before you get the value of training those skills and grinding that standing for 6 alts.

Also, do something other than high energy physics.

Your goals do seem to be quite lofty.

One thing you should note is the max SP you're likely to chalk up over the space of 1 year is circa 20-22m (someone probably knows a more precise number) per account.

With just the 2 accounts and only being able to train 1 character at a time I would think your training alone would take a couple of years ...wildy guessimated and probably still under.

You would probably do better to research what you're primarily interested in and train speficically for this then think about the next area you want to tackle.

Fly safe. o7

As a extra way of getting those minerals you need to use you trading skills
so you need some books, a trading hub and a freighter to move those to
your production station. Mining alone won't cut it.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sanathel here this should help

thanks for the advice I'll will prolly have to reconsider the amount of time i put into the game and make my alt as req.

thanks again for the advice. in light of your recommendations ill just keep two character going for now and make do with them until i have need of more. Who knows maybe ill work with other ppl to make things happen that is what a corp is for after all.

People who make stuff using all minerals they mine themselves aren't industrialists, they are miners with an industry hobby. True industrialists use minerals someone else has mined, generally bought off the market somewhere, though sometimes you can get corpmates to feed you.

T2 industry, done right, will earn significantly more isk per hour than mining. And takes about the same time to train as fully training T2 mining barges. And exposes you to far less risk of ganking. If you are serious about industry, forget mining.

I have a zoo of alts that support my industry activities, and find that the main thing I use alts for is science slots making BPCs (science 5, lab ops 5, advanced lab ops 3-4). You need a ton of BPCs to do T2 manufacturing via invention. My main characters do the invention and T2 manufacturing (lots of investment in science skills, advanced mass production, advanced lab ops). I have one alt that does T1 industry (no science skills, mass production, production efficiency 5), mainly making T1 items to be converted into T2 and R.A.M. tools. I use a private POS to make copies of BPOs that have relatively short copy times, such as drones, rigs, and most modules, but I also have some BPOs that take very long times to copy--mining crystals for example--I don't tie up POS lab slots with those but use public labs instead; these copy jobs are set up to take as close to the 30 day limit as possible, for such long jobs enduring public wait queues is more practical than paying POS fuel costs for extra labs.

Give thought to how you are going to sell your products. You will do well to plan on keeping one alt character parked at a major trade hub, updating sell orders 2-3 times a day. If you don't keep up with this "penny war" (the usual tactic is pricing your goods .01 isk lower than the lowest competing buy order) your goods will take forever to sell. It can also be helpful to use a market alt to manage buy orders for raw materials, which lets you get them cheaper than buying from sell orders, though using buy orders can increase lead time and complicate your life more than you might expect.

With 6 characters I would suggest training 2 as primary T2 inventors/manufacturers, 1 as a T1 manufacturer, 1 as a trade alt, 1 specialized in ME/PE research (you don't really need to do much ME/PE research in T2 industry, as the ME and PE of your BPOs has no affect on the ME and PE of invented BPCs). 1 character should be trained to fly T2 industrials to round up raw materials and ferry finished goods to market, it is far safer to do this in T2 ships than T1. Everyone but the specialized inventors should have as many lab slots as possible and science 5 to run copies. This supports T2 industry nicely.

If you already have characters trained with good fitting skills consider training those up as inventors as all the science skills require a fitting skill at 5 as a prerequisite: electronics 5, engineering 5 or mechanic 5; starting with those already trained can save training time (ok, mechanic isn't really a fitting skill, but the point should be clear). Alternately, you might want to keep any combat characters you have as minimally involved with industry as possible so they can run off somewhere and do PvP/PvE without being tied to your industry HQ. Using such characters for long term copy jobs at public labs works well. Unless you have a very focused personality, you will need breaks from the industry grind occasionally or you'll burn out.

For Planetary Interaction you can train as many characters as you want as other players have suggested above. Personally, I stopped at four when I began to find PI unbearably tedious. I find PI more repetitive and less interesting than T2 industry; however, your opinion may vary. PI training will take much less time than training the major industry characters for invention, and doesn't need a POS, so its a good starting point for industry.

A word about T1 industrials. Training Minmatar industrial 4 so you can fly mammoths may not be advisable at this time. It appears CCP is going to drop requirements for high levels of racial industrial skill to fly industrials as part of the tiericide initiative, and this will probably happen when the summer expansion is released June 4. At that time you may be able to jump into an iteron 5 with just Gallente industrial 1 trained. In the short run, bestowers aren't a bad alternative to mammoths, and only require Amarr industrial 1.

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