Warfare & Tactics

This is a request to CCP to change it so Neutral Logistics or reppers get concorded when repping a ship out of corp. Reason for this is very simple. When assessing a fight most the battle is in knowing your enemy, there capabilities, when and where to fight but it is impossible to know how many neutral logis they have before it’s too late. Example your fleet has 7 ships the enemy 4 and you engage in combat, just when first 1 is about to explode 3 logis not in there corp but on alt accounts show up and rep the first target. They do turn suspect but by that point in time fleet is scrammed and webbed and not able to get into range of logis and the fight is over. My corp gets war dec A LOT and this tactic is getting so common that really the only counters to this tactic is to go in with cheap ships and assume they have a fleet of neutral logis and flush out who they are and just go for the fleet loosing cheapos so next time your able to assesses there real strength, or dock up tell war deck is over, or everyone quit corp tell war dec is over. I’m not apposed to fighting closely matched odds or pvp by any means but would like to know who I’m fighting before the fighting starts. Most the mercenary corps out there has a corp of neutral logis as backup but the standard mixed corp doesn’t. The fix to this is simple neutral reppers get concorded and would make a war dec be between the 2 corps or alliance that are at war and no one else.

I'm pretty sure that if you rep a concord target you get concodekken. So where is the problem?

You should try and read the original post before responding.

The OP was a bunch of bitching. My pst was showing the benefit of the current system. GFY.

Remember that what you personally think "neutral logistics" is and what the game thinks are not the same. There have already been a bucketfuls of whine from bad highsec PVPers and carebears alike complaining about their logistics becoming suspect flagged in situations that they personally don't feel constitute neutral logistics.

They probably should have thought about that before they told CCP what a great idea suspect flagging neutral logistics was prior to crimewatch 2.0 being implemented. Sucks to be them, they made that bed, time for them to lay in it.

If neutral logistics was considered a criminal action I gaurantee you'd be back on the forums in a few weeks bitching about how much it sucks that I can make it so nobody can rep you without going GCC by [SOME KIND OF THING].

Any change to game mechanics that you want to happen because it screws over people who're more prepared and capable than you is going to screw you over much more than it will, you just don't realize how because you're dumb.

In null it’s a bit easer because its safe to assume that anyone in system set to red or not in alliance is an enemy you’re fighting, In wormholes if they don’t show in scan then it’s a cloaky and depending on class of wormhole, how long you watched pos-es in wh, entrances, ya can make good guess as to what ya might fight. If you are against this idea of Neutral logis getting concorded please explain what you would to determined number of logis in a system with hundreds of people in that highsec system and then how you would counter and then tell me why you think it’s a bad idea for logis out of corp repping to not get concorded. This would be a lot more productive then name calling.

You're up against a 2 T2 missile launching cruisers in your Bhaalgorn with a corp mate flying lets say any T2 cruiser ya choose. You get primaried and missiles don’t need cap and you almost have the first ship exploded when suddenly there shields are at full and you notice they have 2 logis that warped in to help them. The one ya didn’t have cap drain has ya webbed and scrammed. The logis are over 60k off. Your armor is almost gone by this time assuming ya have about 130ehp (been in fight about just like this before lol) how does your Bhaalgorn save you??

I like this idea. Thank you for your costructive post Marsan. I'd still like to hear more ideas as to why (without name calling and with examples if possible like Marsan did) this is or isn't a bad idea and tactics for current gmae system.

I'll take this i would keep a nuet on the already capped out ship, and through ecm drones and the rest of my nuets on the second. Assuming I have a ishtar buddy he throughs ecm drones on 2nd guy too. One is capped out so cant scram, the other cant target I take note of where the now suspect logis are before I warp, and if i think I can warp onto of them i'll be back.

Alternatively i pull in my own nuetral logi (if require may not even be needed) put ecm drones on theirs

Alternatively I warp an alt or friend on top of the now suspect logi's to kill them

Alternatively I unclock a falcon, arazu or warp in the t1 equivelents

Plenty of ways to win or draw that fight, you've got to learn to not show all your cards at the get go. Hell assuming that the logis arent cap transferring I'd be happy to fight all that in a nuet domi.

I used to fight solo for about 3 years with no alts. Ecm, damps and nuets are your friends in these situtations

P.s donations to this char please

you could always get some friends with blackbird and jam the logis once they go suspect.... logistics are pretty useless if they can't target.