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A way to encourage players to use DX11 without forcing

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-03-09 04:50:26 UTC
so, cp can tell, adn it would be easy for a client to pull, what form of DX a computer is running.

how about our version of DX is displayed in our character sheet, tht way the playerbase can help "persuade" those not on 11 to upgrade, this provides an incentive for the playerbase (since most ahve stated without reason they will NOT upgreade) to upgrade, while not FORCING them, guaranteee after 6 motnhs well have ebnough DX11 users to justify upgrading EVE.

(sorry for bad spelling currently running sights in a wormhole as FC)
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-09 05:06:31 UTC
Um...so your solution is peer pressure?

You're that special kind of stupid, aren't you?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-03-09 05:12:24 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Um...so your solution is peer pressure?

You're that special kind of stupid, aren't you?

A large group of them have said, the reason they WONT upgrade to DX11, is because there isnt a reason for them to right now.

CCP ahs stated the reason they wotn upgrade to DX11 is because they dotn want to keep the ones who havent upgreaded from playing.

all this would do is give them a reason to upgrade, without forcing them too, they can still play as normal, just occasional DX11 zealots would maybe try and wardec/gank them to "persuade" an upgrade.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#4 - 2013-03-09 05:19:20 UTC
increase tax by 10% for everybody running win xp

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#5 - 2013-03-09 07:15:07 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Um...so your solution is peer pressure?

You're that special kind of stupid, aren't you?



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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2013-03-09 07:48:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
A large group of them have said, the reason they WONT upgrade to DX11 is because there isnt a reason for them to right now.

Would YOU like to explain to my spouse/family why I should spend about a grand on a new computer for "eye candy" (because my current setup may not be able to run DX11)? Especially when my current computer works "perfectly well?"

I know more than a few people (myself included) that are on 5 to 7 year "cycles" for this very reason. They have to wait til their computer dies before they can rationalize spending money on another computer and/or computer upgrades.
Dante KamiyaX
STARK INDUSTRIES.INCX
#7 - 2013-03-09 11:13:43 UTC
DX11 has been out since 2008. If your computer is that old and not DX11 capable then you need to upgrade badly. Your computer is 5 years behind the times. That's an antique piece of junk! But DX11 games are backwards compatible anyways. Still pretty sad.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-03-09 12:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
A large group of them have said, the reason they WONT upgrade to DX11 is because there isnt a reason for them to right now.

Would YOU like to explain to my spouse/family why I should spend about a grand on a new computer for "eye candy" (because my current setup may not be able to run DX11)? Especially when my current computer works "perfectly well?"

I know more than a few people (myself included) that are on 5 to 7 year "cycles" for this very reason. They have to wait til their computer dies before they can rationalize spending money on another computer and/or computer upgrades.

dont be one of "those guys", a DX11 computer capable of easily running 3 eve clients on medium-high graphics is only 500 bucks maximum, even cheaper if you catch a sale or buy from the correct sites, heck, i have 2 accounts i run on max without any issues, and my comp only costed me about 350 USD to upgrade from a 7 year old cmputer.

*edite for some spelling
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#9 - 2013-03-09 13:56:16 UTC
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793-7.html

Forget what game that is about... the point is actually a direct comparison in performance between DirectX 9 and DirectX 11
What is more important here is LOOK at the cards being tested, the Radeon HD 4000-Series and GeForce 200/400-Series are 5 YEAR OLD cards, we're not talking brand new hardware.

I would also point out you can get an AMD APU Quad-Core 64-bit DirectX 11 w/8GB Memory for ~£200, we're talking the same price as an Xbox 360 or PS3.... yet has the performance to basically run pretty much anything released today at 1080p on Ultra settings - except possible Crysis 3, but Crytek games have always required super computers to run well.
FireT
Venom Pointe Industries
#10 - 2013-03-09 14:35:29 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
so, cp can tell, adn it would be easy for a client to pull, what form of DX a computer is running.

how about our version of DX is displayed in our character sheet, tht way the playerbase can help "persuade" those not on 11 to upgrade, this provides an incentive for the playerbase (since most ahve stated without reason they will NOT upgreade) to upgrade, while not FORCING them, guaranteee after 6 motnhs well have ebnough DX11 users to justify upgrading EVE.

(sorry for bad spelling currently running sights in a wormhole as FC)


Or... you can buy new computers to those lagging behind. I doubt any of those people will mind if you buy them new computers. Go ahead. More efficient. And you seem to want to help CCP.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-03-09 14:39:32 UTC
FireT wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
so, cp can tell, adn it would be easy for a client to pull, what form of DX a computer is running.

how about our version of DX is displayed in our character sheet, tht way the playerbase can help "persuade" those not on 11 to upgrade, this provides an incentive for the playerbase (since most ahve stated without reason they will NOT upgreade) to upgrade, while not FORCING them, guaranteee after 6 motnhs well have ebnough DX11 users to justify upgrading EVE.

(sorry for bad spelling currently running sights in a wormhole as FC)


Or... you can buy new computers to those lagging behind. I doubt any of those people will mind if you buy them new computers. Go ahead. More efficient. And you seem to want to help CCP.

I'm going to guess your an xp user who doesnt like change, and thinks that games should never be upgraded to their betternment if it means you have to spend a few extra dollars to keep playing.

seriously, XP is dead, people need to upgrade, if games always catered to the lowest tech-level in use, we'd all still be playing pong, but pong is dead, because progress happened.

i mean geeze, its already been stated that a dx11 comp is cheap, and its not like moving to dx11 wold be ccp "needlesly rushing to some shiny new technology". dx11 is OLD AS DIRT, which makes XP/dx9 practically paleolithic.
Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-09 14:41:55 UTC
We need another 'boot.ini' for people with XP computers, that way CCP can kill their computers, say it wasn't their fault (EULA) and then get everyone on 7 :P

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-09 14:58:18 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
A large group of them have said, the reason they WONT upgrade to DX11 is because there isnt a reason for them to right now.

Would YOU like to explain to my spouse/family why I should spend about a grand on a new computer for "eye candy" (because my current setup may not be able to run DX11)? Especially when my current computer works "perfectly well?"

I know more than a few people (myself included) that are on 5 to 7 year "cycles" for this very reason. They have to wait til their computer dies before they can rationalize spending money on another computer and/or computer upgrades.

dont be one of "those guys", a DX11 computer capable of easily running 3 eve clients on medium-high graphics is only 500 bucks maximum, even cheaper if you catch a sale or buy from the correct sites, heck, i have 2 accounts i run on max without any issues, and my comp only costed me about 350 USD to upgrade from a 7 year old cmputer.

*edite for some spelling

Cool then send me 500 USD so that I can buy one of these systems.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-09 17:53:40 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Um...so your solution is peer pressure?

You're that special kind of stupid, aren't you?

A large group of them have said, the reason they WONT upgrade to DX11, is because there isnt a reason for them to right now.

CCP ahs stated the reason they wotn upgrade to DX11 is because they dotn want to keep the ones who havent upgreaded from playing.


You're a very trusting person, aren't you?

Every game that uses DX11 have it, or even DX10, as optional. It's not shader module 2.0 or 3.0 that requires different rendering, DX11 is just a few scattered effects. The only reason CCP is unwilling to give us it is due to laziness. They would rather pour resources into Dust or anything other than Eve.
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#15 - 2013-03-09 18:09:12 UTC
I have no idea what the magic box at my feet has up in it- "Magicks" I think, but it could just be working off of magnets, which are magiks anyways so... meh

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#16 - 2013-03-09 20:26:40 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
A large group of them have said, the reason they WONT upgrade to DX11 is because there isnt a reason for them to right now.

Would YOU like to explain to my spouse/family why I should spend about a grand on a new computer for "eye candy" (because my current setup may not be able to run DX11)? Especially when my current computer works "perfectly well?"

I know more than a few people (myself included) that are on 5 to 7 year "cycles" for this very reason. They have to wait til their computer dies before they can rationalize spending money on another computer and/or computer upgrades.

dont be one of "those guys", a DX11 computer capable of easily running 3 eve clients on medium-high graphics is only 500 bucks maximum, even cheaper if you catch a sale or buy from the correct sites, heck, i have 2 accounts i run on max without any issues, and my comp only costed me about 350 USD to upgrade from a 7 year old cmputer.

*edite for some spelling

You haven't addressed the situation I posed to you. Doesn't matter how "cheap" you can build a computer... how are you going to rationalize to your spouse/family (especially ones that don't care for video games) that you need a new computer for "eye candy" when your old one can still do all the necessary things to maintain the household?

And for the record, my computer can run DX11 (barely). I'm playing devil's advocate here because I do know people that "can't" (see: "not allowed to") upgrade their computer.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-03-09 21:41:44 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
A large group of them have said, the reason they WONT upgrade to DX11 is because there isnt a reason for them to right now.

Would YOU like to explain to my spouse/family why I should spend about a grand on a new computer for "eye candy" (because my current setup may not be able to run DX11)? Especially when my current computer works "perfectly well?"

I know more than a few people (myself included) that are on 5 to 7 year "cycles" for this very reason. They have to wait til their computer dies before they can rationalize spending money on another computer and/or computer upgrades.

dont be one of "those guys", a DX11 computer capable of easily running 3 eve clients on medium-high graphics is only 500 bucks maximum, even cheaper if you catch a sale or buy from the correct sites, heck, i have 2 accounts i run on max without any issues, and my comp only costed me about 350 USD to upgrade from a 7 year old cmputer.

*edite for some spelling

You haven't addressed the situation I posed to you. Doesn't matter how "cheap" you can build a computer... how are you going to rationalize to your spouse/family (especially ones that don't care for video games) that you need a new computer for "eye candy" when your old one can still do all the necessary things to maintain the household?

And for the record, my computer can run DX11 (barely). I'm playing devil's advocate here because I do know people that "can't" (see: "not allowed to") upgrade their computer.

If they are unable to, then they never will. my whole idea is just to give incentive to the ones who say they wont upgrade without it. for those that simply CANNOT upgrade their computer, well i HATE to say it, but tough luck, everything has to move on at some point, and right now its looking like were not going to see DX11 until DX15 is out and all the current XP users that have refused to upgrade are old and dead.

and to be be quite honest, if people are so hardpressed for cash that they cant set aside 40 or so a month for a year to get a new computer, then they prolly should re-evaluate whether they should even play eve, comapred to more economically-safe alternatives (such as no internet subscription, or more hours at work/second-job). im not trying to be mean, but with how cheap a computer is these days, if you simply cant afford, or the amount of money would be "hard to justify" spending, then they have some serious economic concerns they would be better off addressing than playing eve.

(and again, i made this idea simply to give incvcentive for over 6 months to a yaar just to see how the dmographic chnages in directx usage in eve)
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#18 - 2013-03-09 22:02:39 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
A large group of them have said, the reason they WONT upgrade to DX11 is because there isnt a reason for them to right now.

Would YOU like to explain to my spouse/family why I should spend about a grand on a new computer for "eye candy" (because my current setup may not be able to run DX11)? Especially when my current computer works "perfectly well?"

I know more than a few people (myself included) that are on 5 to 7 year "cycles" for this very reason. They have to wait til their computer dies before they can rationalize spending money on another computer and/or computer upgrades.

dont be one of "those guys", a DX11 computer capable of easily running 3 eve clients on medium-high graphics is only 500 bucks maximum, even cheaper if you catch a sale or buy from the correct sites, heck, i have 2 accounts i run on max without any issues, and my comp only costed me about 350 USD to upgrade from a 7 year old cmputer.

*edite for some spelling

You haven't addressed the situation I posed to you. Doesn't matter how "cheap" you can build a computer... how are you going to rationalize to your spouse/family (especially ones that don't care for video games) that you need a new computer for "eye candy" when your old one can still do all the necessary things to maintain the household?

And for the record, my computer can run DX11 (barely). I'm playing devil's advocate here because I do know people that "can't" (see: "not allowed to") upgrade their computer.

If they are unable to, then they never will. my whole idea is just to give incentive to the ones who say they wont upgrade without it. for those that simply CANNOT upgrade their computer, well i HATE to say it, but tough luck, everything has to move on at some point, and right now its looking like were not going to see DX11 until DX15 is out and all the current XP users that have refused to upgrade are old and dead.

and to be be quite honest, if people are so hardpressed for cash that they cant set aside 40 or so a month for a year to get a new computer, then they prolly should re-evaluate whether they should even play eve, comapred to more economically-safe alternatives (such as no internet subscription, or more hours at work/second-job). im not trying to be mean, but with how cheap a computer is these days, if you simply cant afford, or the amount of money would be "hard to justify" spending, then they have some serious economic concerns they would be better off addressing than playing eve.

(and again, i made this idea simply to give incvcentive for over 6 months to a yaar just to see how the dmographic chnages in directx usage in eve)



nobody spends money or time to play eve... everybody bots

all of this is just so we have a reason to post on the forums

where have you been?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#19 - 2013-03-09 22:05:55 UTC
The problem with the upgrade to DX 11 is not a few optional visual effects.
It's that the reason CCP are considering upgrading to DX-11 is Tesselation and the combination of Tesselations built in collision detection engine with the EVE Physics engine.
So at the point they upgrade the Physics engine to be reliant on the DX-11 client, then they CAN NOT BE BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE.
Because the simple presence of your ship in space requires DX-11 at that point to interact with other ships & objects.

So if you care about the crazy bounding spheres, & lack of logic of the fact gunfire goes straight through other ships on the way to your target. Then upgrade to DX-11.

For the record, I have no idea if the laptop I play on is DX-11 compatable. I kinda assume it is. But if it isn't, I'd upgrade just for the Tesselation change to the physics engine, because I hate the bounding spheres that much.
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#20 - 2013-03-09 22:08:02 UTC
magnets

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