EVE General Discussion

Our nullsec mining backbone...

..noooo

Haha.

To have ANY chance of getting anything you want, you have to first accept that CCP is a business and exists to make a profit. This means appealing to a broad audience of both carebears and those looking for the "hostile exchange of ammo" people.

You need to start with the basic economic reality that high sec must be safe and profitable enough that carebears will not only play, but can generate enough ISK that they can buy PLEX from other players that would rather do other things than grind ISK, and are willing to fund other peoples' subscriptions to grind the ISK for them.


Now, with that harsh, and unpleasant economic reality as a baseline, any desire to make null pay even better, has to deal with the players interacting in the sandbox reality that null is largely controlled by mega coalitions that charge rent based on the potential profitability of the null system. Increasing the profitability of these null systems does no, in general, equate to an equivalent increase in the profits of the residents, just an increase in their corp takes to pay their rent. Increases in null profitability simply results in mass quantities of ISK flowing into the hands of those that control the coalitions that do the renting.


You find hat CCP is between a rock and hard place, where they can't nerf high sec without suffering a massive revenue hit, nor can they buff null, without resulting in massive wealth increases on the part of the few that control hull. CCP knows... they've tried in the past and have seen the results.


Any talk of rebalancing must be constructed within the confines of these two competing harsh and unpleasant realities.

Yes, I want to make the outpost have more sl- wait no.

I want to put up more outpo-- wait, one per system.

Filled up all the systems.

Welp.

Correct, and that involves accepting that CCP's carebear catering, PvE expansions are considered failures while PvP iteration and emergent content encouraging expansions have put EVE's sub count back in the upswing. CCP's official statements lean towards heavily encouraging 2013 as a year for helping 'emergent content'. Putting a proportional amount of industry where majority of emergent content happens (nullsec) seems entirely within that framework.

The relevant party in this scenario are the players that actually buy PLEX - without their injection of cash into the game. What do people buy PLEX for? I imagine the heavy majority is to engage in PvP without PvE, as you say. So let's help EVE's financial status by ignoring isk farming non-entities and cater to the customers pouring cash into the game. Makes sense.


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Null's reward is bigger, substantially bigger than the rest of Eve. The rest of New Eden can't help it if you're giving all your moongoo profit to your alliance leaving your individual players with a pat on the back telling them "at'ta boy!"and sht in both hands.

If null was handed everything, the rest of New Eden laid waste, those alliances who you've handed the chains to the dog collars around your corps' necks would still want more from you and you'd still be left with figuring out how to improve null by taking more from an empty Hisec.

CCP has slowly changed high sec and made it a place were one can live and play and make a living over the years. The game has grown exponentially over the years.

Correlation? Why yes, yes there is....

The null sec dinosaurs just refuse to see the plain and obvious writing on the wall.

Actually all post-expansion growth can be tied into PvP-based expansions, against the ceasing in growth when high-sec catering expansions were put in place. EVE has continued to grow in spite of its weakening of emergent content, not because of it.

Was this some sort of attempt at a comeback?

If I didn't know any better and I just read that I would presume all of Null was just one alliance with all of the moongoo.

That is the problem in this discussion so many people are worried about the goons, what about people who are not in Goonswarm?

Proven best practices within game mechanics... have a gazillion friends with ubber powerful fleets to crush anyone. Control vast areas of sov null space... then charge rent for solar systems based on the potential profitability of the system.

When these rents cause null to be less profitable than high sec, come to the forums and blame it all on high sec. Then, put your support behind CSM candidates that will push for high sec nerfs... which will never happen since CCP's objectives are different from yours.