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Proposal: EVE Arenas
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
#21 - 2011-10-28 11:49:37 UTC
Taint wrote:
If CCP need money due to current problems, I don't hope or think, that making compromises to eve is the way to go. Tbh if you want arena find another game, where this already is. Eve is build to be "hardcore" mmo, not semi hardcore, that's the reason so many of us like it, and if CCP would have wanted a semi hardcore mmo, they would properly have.made it.
The question about a separate server, I don't hope they put in any resources to this, there will always be anything that's better to work on then a separate server for arenas.

This post is not to flame you, but your idea suck, come with some relevant ideas for eve instead, would be so much better :)


While I agree that it shouldn't be on a seperate server, I still maintain that arenas would be a most welcome addition to eve. The rasoning behind this being that pvp as it stands is far too time consuming for any casual player. And the biggest problem is the time spend waiting to fleet up, and the time spent looking for a fight.

Most players who end up leaving eve as a result of pvp not being more accessible do so because they don't consider waiting to fleet up and looking for fights as playing. They consider it waiting. They feel that it's a waste of time, because they could be doing other things which they feel are more rewarding.

This is part of the reason so many players reside in highsec. Sure, many players have an alt in highsec as a supplemental income, but this is in fact not the case for many players.

The way I imagine it is simply a meeting place where you can get in touch with other players who are looking for a bit of pew pew, decide on the rules of engament, and start the fight. Whether it should be possible to drop in on those fights by scanning down the ships is a completely different subject.

Why it is a different subject is because it would most likely ruin the fights if somebody drops in and start shooting left and right, and the likelyness of that happening is quite big if all or most of the fights take place in the same system. This would simply render the whole mechanic obsolete, as a lot of people would come looking for cheap ganks to pad their killboards.

This is a very poor arguement as it is imo like saying "but mom and dad said", but I'll add it none the less: CCP did in fact
experiment with arenas, and in the worst way possible. They tried to make arenas that acted as a combat simulator were no ships would be lost. They decided to drop it in the end, as the server rejected the code and refused to accept that ships should not be lost. In other words, it acted like an arena where ship were lost.

tl;dr: even thought you feel that eve is a hardcore game that should only cater to hardcore players doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you. In fact, there are already a lot of non hardcore player playing eve.

Stop the spamming, not the scamming!
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-28 11:53:01 UTC
Didnt read much of it, but sissi is the best eve arena around... test server is easy to get to too...
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-10-28 12:24:53 UTC
i know theres alot of non hardcore players in eve, think we both know where they are at in eve. My gues is they will live eve at sometime. How much whine do you think there would be in wow if you took out Arenas and instances ? this is the same here exately just oposite.
And no pvp ? Eve is what you want it to be, if you sit and wait, then yes it wil be boring as ****. On the other hand if you go out and do stuff like pvp yes you can do this alone to, you dont need others, though its more fun :) but if you sit on your ass in eve then youl fall asleep, and thats great :)
Theres PVP corps who takes in new people, and i sugest they do that if they have no idea what game they came in to, there is alot of pvp around in eve, properly what there is most of.
But making an arena couse we are new/we want fair pvp is just nonsens.
Theres is nothing theres ever fair, not even life. So why should eve be fair ?

Now what CCP should be doing is something against blobs and so on.
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
#24 - 2011-10-28 15:13:29 UTC
Taint wrote:
i know theres alot of non hardcore players in eve, think we both know where they are at in eve. My gues is they will live eve at sometime. How much whine do you think there would be in wow if you took out Arenas and instances ? this is the same here exately just oposite.
And no pvp ? Eve is what you want it to be, if you sit and wait, then yes it wil be boring as ****. On the other hand if you go out and do stuff like pvp yes you can do this alone to, you dont need others, though its more fun :) but if you sit on your ass in eve then youl fall asleep, and thats great :)
Theres PVP corps who takes in new people, and i sugest they do that if they have no idea what game they came in to, there is alot of pvp around in eve, properly what there is most of.
But making an arena couse we are new/we want fair pvp is just nonsens.
Theres is nothing theres ever fair, not even life. So why should eve be fair ?

Now what CCP should be doing is something against blobs and so on.


I never wrote that there is no pvp. Pretty much every playstyle in eve involves some form of pvp or another. That isn't the issue. Sure you can find fights fairly quickly, but it depends on what you're looking for. Small gang pvp is more difficult to find, and as a result will end up requiring more time to find.

But that's not the real issue. The real issue is that those people who end up leaving the game have about 2-3 hours per day to play eve. Assuming that they have 4 hours, that enough time to fleet up (1 hour, if they can get the rest of their corpies to agree to that exact time that is), look for a fight (varies, but about two hours is not unheard of), fight (about 5 minutes), travel back to a safe haven and log off (roughly one hour).

Those people only consider the 5 minutes of actually firing their guns/launchers as pvp. The rest is something they consider as waiting. Even if they're travelling around in hostile space looking for hostiles (which imo can be quite exciting with some delusional paranoia).

Arenas would allow people to have the 5 minutes without the rest. Basically it would be a way to "click to play" pvp. Many players have stated this as their main reson for running missions over and over endlessly. Because of it's click to play and no waiting nature.

The main advantage this would bring to eve is a massive mineral sink (assuming that losses would be real). The major dissadvantage is that it would probably put the final nail in the coffin for FW. The whole point of FW was to make pvp more accessible, however it failed to facilitate that imo.

Stop the spamming, not the scamming!
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#25 - 2011-10-28 16:49:35 UTC
Taint wrote:
you dont need arenas to pvp, NOT EVEN IN HIGH SEC, if you wow nerds find someone who aperently wants to pvp with you 1on1 or maybe your so in luck youl find 2, then you can pvp 2vs2. YOU DONT NEED ARENA, forgeth it.


The issue is that most people don't 1v1 or 2v2 because there's no trust. Arenas would fix this situation and you'd see newer players possibly getting into it which might give them some balls to go hunting.

I posted an Arena idea (that had no benefits or rewards other then player vs player bets) a while back that garnered some interest but ultimately faded into the ether.

The issue with your argument (and most everyone of your arguments) is that your so deathly afraid of anything new occurring in EVE. All you ever talk about is World of Warcraft (you must be very excited about it) in almost all of your posts. I think your the one who has something wrong with you, guy.

Either way Taint, you dont provide a decent conversation as you just wave your hands over your head and spout the same garbage over and over. No one takes you seriously as is.
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-10-28 17:05:07 UTC
Pretty much dont care if anyone cares about me hehe
What im trying to say is that i dont find Arenas fitting in eve :) Belive that its a wrong step into making eve soft and i dont want that.
Think Eve is the only hardcore mmo present out here, so this is why im bitching about your idea of arenas.
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#27 - 2011-10-28 17:08:26 UTC
Taint wrote:
Pretty much dont care if anyone cares about me hehe
What im trying to say is that i dont find Arenas fitting in eve :) Belive that its a wrong step into making eve soft and i dont want that.
Think Eve is the only hardcore mmo present out here, so this is why im bitching about your idea of arenas.


The reason for arenas is separate from natural PVP. In real life we have UFC, Boxing, etc - we could all walk around east Bronx and just gank pedestrians, but yet we still enjoy these sports.

It wouldnt take anything away from EVE, would just provide more outlets. Would also allow for preset up fights as well as tourneys as current (as mentioned previously).

Just because you hate the idea due to whatever reason you have beyond your vague "EVE doesnt need it" doesnt mean its a bad idea.

Stating this I am not saying I agree with OP BTW on his idea of an Arena.
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