EVE General Discussion

Good rule of thumb for Eve: Trust that particular thought first and foremost. :D If it's too good to be true, it's almost definitely-for-sure not true.

Also:



Look, it's a game, and this particular game is supposed to have a dog-eat-dog motif. Nothing that happens within the game is really of any ethical concern.

Having said that, I would still recommend attempting to pass the hurt on to someone else.

Scams like this pray on greed.

Stop being so greedy.

As said.. the simple solution to this problem and any other problem is...

Use your head, do your homework, research.

Before I knew of the margin trading scam, I saw people posting the scam trick in that hive of scum and villainy called Jita, checked the market, saw the prices, this is what I thought:

1) This could make me some serious money
2) There's 1500 people here, why hasn't someone else grabbed this already?
3) What's the catch here?

Then I started doing my homework, I checked other tradehubs, Even central, and the movement of the item in question, noticed that in other hubs and places the prices were VEEEERY different, and also that said item had very little movement. So I figured this had to be a scam of some kind. ( This is Eve after all )

Did more research and found out about the margin trading scam, and didn't fall for it.

Keep in mind at all times, this is Eve, this is the place where everyone and their dog is out to get you in one way or another.

T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L.

There Ain't No Scuh Thing As A Free Lunch. Especially not in Eve.

As for the 'double sting', the reason that happened was because you set your sell window to 'advanced', which generates a sell order which gets processed if there is a proper buy order. Setting your sell window to 'simple' when selling to buy orders alleviates this problem. Or just make your own sell order for the price you want instead of selling to a buy order.

Maybe because nobody cares.

No grift works without greed on the Mark's part.

I've always hated this scam. Tho never a victim of it myself, its one of the ones that can effect newer players, and there's little chance of spotting it unless someone has already informed them about it. Like you mentioned, it can hurt your trust in the very market system itself, which is never a good thing.

That being said, EvE is a harsh and unforgiving mistress. Like the many things that can happen that can lower your spirit, its best to mark them up as lessons, and move on. I'm sure they'll be many more to come if you decide to keep playing. Each will leave you poorer in your wallet, but richer in experience. You'll be able to hold your head high, and say "Well, i'm not going to do that again!"

Plus I sent you some isk to help you on your travels!

Newbie Benny saw a guy selling a contract with a strange item that sold for billions in the market. It was pretty obviously a scam of some kind (I mean come on), so I went to another hub, bought the item for a thousand ISK, hauled it back and tried to sell it to the buy order. Loss of a few million ISK tops for not being stupid.

The margin trading scam doesn't harm newbies any more than it does older players. It only gets greedy people, young and old. It's not hard for a newbie to spot it as a scam - it's damn obvious

Where's the profit?

You can spread that out over the entire page - some psychos will never be able to differentiate between reality and alternity.

This is clearly a stealth begging post.

You made a mistake. We've all done it. But understand that it was your mistake, no-one else's. It was you who invested all your isk into one trade. it was you who were so blinded by greed that you failed to look at the situation rationally and ask questions such as "why are there so many of these items for sale at the higher prices?" It was also you who failed to search the web for any clues as to whether this was a scam or not.

Dust your self off and start again. This will not be the worst thing that happens to you in Eve.


IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!