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Why not to have T3 battlecruisers

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-03-07 04:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The cruisers are disgustingly overpowered. The idea of the tech 3 BC or BS horrifies me.


Sub cap group able to alpha a titan?

Just get about 25 titans and you'll be able to alpha one titan.
And then wait ten minutes before you can alpha another one.
Also this only works in nullsec.

25 titans, interesting.

Very very rough calculation based on 3 million damage per doomsday and 60 million EHP on target (a tanky Leviathan boosting itself has about this much). That accounts for 20 titans, and the other 5 are just to make sure.

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Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-03-07 04:45:09 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The cruisers are disgustingly overpowered. The idea of the tech 3 BC or BS horrifies me.


Sub cap group able to alpha a titan?

Just get about 25 titans and you'll be able to alpha one titan.
And then wait ten minutes before you can alpha another one.
Also this only works in nullsec.

25 titans, interesting.

Very very rough calculation based on 3 million damage per doomsday and 60 million EHP on target. That accounts for 20 titans, and the other 5 are just to make sure.



ssooo....overkill?

BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX

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stoicfaux
#43 - 2013-03-07 04:56:40 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:

I can't imagine how CCP can come up with a way to balance T3 Battleships.


According to the original plan, if you look at the 2nd picture in the "Stating the not so obvious" section, T3 are supposed to be more versatile than, but on par with Navy ships, while being less powerful than Pirate and Tech2 ships.

So a Gallente Tech3 battleship would probably be able swap between being a Navy Dominix, a Navy Megathron, a lesser Sin, and a lesser Kronos.

However, the Caldari Tech3 battleship would be on par with a State Raven until CCP decides to nerf cruise missiles for being too powerful as a means to bring the Caldari Tech3 battleship back into line.

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Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-03-07 06:20:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Abrazzar wrote:
Look at what a T3 cruiser can do compared to a T1 cruiser. Now scale that up equally with battleships. Horrifying.


Look at what a T3 cruiser costs compared to a T1 cruiser. Now scale that up equally with battleships. Horrifying.

Cool

EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, it kinda is. If a Caracal costs about 10 million and a Tengu about 600 million, that's 60x as much. An average battleship is about 150 million, then a T3 battleship would costs about 90 billion - ouch Shocked
Mon Diddies
Indigo Generation
#45 - 2013-03-07 06:22:39 UTC
Faction navy and pirate battle cruisers will be next. I have it on good authority

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Dazram Two
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-03-07 06:40:23 UTC
If a T3 Cruiser runs you almost a billion ISK, I don't even want to imagine the price tag on a T3 Battleship. Shocked
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-03-07 06:50:57 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
However, the Caldari Tech3 battleship would be on par with a State Raven until CCP decides to nerf cruise missiles for being too powerful as a means to bring the Caldari Tech3 battleship back into line.

Someone sounds butthurt.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2013-03-07 06:54:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
However, the Caldari Tech3 battleship would be on par with a State Raven until CCP decides to nerf cruise missiles for being too powerful as a means to bring the Caldari Tech3 battleship back into line.

Someone sounds butthurt.

That Heavy Missiles weapon system suffering - it continues to this day I see.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#49 - 2013-03-07 06:55:29 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Look at what a T3 cruiser can do compared to a T1 cruiser. Now scale that up equally with battleships. Horrifying.


Look at what a T3 cruiser costs compared to a T1 cruiser. Now scale that up equally with battleships. Horrifying.

Cool

EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, it kinda is. If a Caracal costs about 10 million and a Tengu about 600 million, that's 60x as much. An average battleship is about 150 million, then a T3 battleship would costs about 90 billion - ouch Shocked

So like a titan that would be instapopped by the first (non-blue) alphafleet you come across?

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Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#50 - 2013-03-07 07:00:37 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Are you all idiots?



Yes,yes they are.

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-03-07 07:03:49 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Look at what a T3 cruiser can do compared to a T1 cruiser. Now scale that up equally with battleships. Horrifying.


Look at what a T3 cruiser costs compared to a T1 cruiser. Now scale that up equally with battleships. Horrifying.

Cool

EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, it kinda is. If a Caracal costs about 10 million and a Tengu about 600 million, that's 60x as much. An average battleship is about 150 million, then a T3 battleship would costs about 90 billion - ouch Shocked



that might limit the number pf them floating about. kill 2 and your doing as much damage as popping a titan

BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX

I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
#52 - 2013-03-07 09:27:03 UTC
They'd become the new high-sec mission boats. Who would want to float a 90B battleship into nullsec?
T'Laar Bok
#53 - 2013-03-07 12:12:40 UTC
IMHO I think PVPers have way more than enough ships to chose from but its always WE NEED MORE.

WTF FOR?

They don't EXACTLY fit your specs/needs so you demand an entire new class or ship?

I think you're little spoiled kids with over indulgent CCP parents.

I'm not trying to start an argument and good luck to you if you manage to get your new T3s or at least something.

This is just something I've observed in the last 4-5 years.

Amphetimines are your friend.

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Carrelle Rouppon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-03-07 12:25:45 UTC
Shadow Lord77 wrote:
They'd become the new high-sec mission boats. Who would want to float a 90B battleship into nullsec?


Safer in null-sec than Empire.

Without operations like mine it would be impossible for certain Alliances to conduct a respectable war. There are three basic types of arms deal: white, being legal, black, being illegal, and my personal favorite, gray.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-03-07 12:29:06 UTC
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
Shadow Lord77 wrote:
They'd become the new high-sec mission boats. Who would want to float a 90B battleship into nullsec?


Safer in null-sec than Empire.

Not if they choose to PVP with it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-03-07 12:39:51 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Current T3 cruisers are fine

Yep, nothing at all wrong with a cruiser that has the firepower and tank of a battleships with the speed and manovering of a destroyer. Or a ship that can both warp cloaked AND be invulnerable to bubbles. Nothing at all wrong with that!

As much as I hate to admit it, the subsystems really should only allow warping cloaked OR invulnerable to bubbles... never both at the same time.

Out of curiosity why?

Because people hate to see other people with something better than what they have. Whiners essentially. Personally I'd like to see Tech 5 Battle Ships. Something with 15 launchers, 5000 DPS, 500,000 EHP and real flushable toilets...
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-03-07 13:05:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Current T3 cruisers are fine

Yep, nothing at all wrong with a cruiser that has the firepower and tank of a battleships with the speed and manovering of a destroyer. Or a ship that can both warp cloaked AND be invulnerable to bubbles. Nothing at all wrong with that!



Fake.

Show me your uber EFT numbers without OGB/links, billions worth of implants and fit.

Outside Proteus huge buffer, Legion uber armor resists, Loki agility, Tengu dmg projection it seems you found a new T3 in the game.

Let's call it T3 Baltepicus1, now can you show me your uber fit and please something useful instead of just another battleclinic idiots fit to prove numbers?

Again, get rid of those poor game mechanics like links and half of the problem is solved. The other half unfortunately is your mindset and no one can do anything for you if you don't help yourself to understand those are fine.
Don't like them? -don't train for them, don't buy them and refuse to join Alliance OPs with those, jump in a logi instead and let them die.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2013-03-07 13:13:42 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Current T3 cruisers are fine

Yep, nothing at all wrong with a cruiser that has the firepower and tank of a battleships with the speed and manovering of a destroyer. Or a ship that can both warp cloaked AND be invulnerable to bubbles. Nothing at all wrong with that!



Fake.

Show me your uber EFT numbers without OGB/links, billions worth of implants and fit.

Outside Proteus huge buffer, Legion uber armor resists, Loki agility, Tengu dmg projection it seems you found a new T3 in the game.

Let's call it T3 Baltepicus1, now can you show me your uber fit and please something useful instead of just another battleclinic idiots fit to prove numbers?

Again, get rid of those poor game mechanics like links and half of the problem is solved. The other half unfortunately is your mindset and no one can do anything for you if you don't help yourself to understand those are fine.
Don't like them? -don't train for them, don't buy them and refuse to join Alliance OPs with those, jump in a logi instead and let them die.



Man I cannot wait for your tears when the t3s get balanced with the other cruisers.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-03-07 13:14:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The cruisers are disgustingly overpowered. The idea of the tech 3 BC or BS horrifies me.


Sub cap group able to alpha a titan?

Just get about 25 titans and you'll be able to alpha one titan.
And then wait ten minutes before you can alpha another one.
Also this only works in nullsec.


Sub cap group was the key point. The power difference between tech 3 cruiser and thier regular version is huge. The same powergap but on a battleship platform would be insane. Thats what I meant. You would not even really need a jump bridge to move a fleet capable of blapping a titan. That's what's truly scary imo. A real wtfpwnmobile.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-03-07 13:19:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Man I cannot wait for your tears when the t3s get balanced with the other cruisers.

Except that the rebalancing isn't going to be anywhere near what you're hoping for because they're not overpowered like you think they are, and their expense means that they need to be at least somewhat good otherwise nobody will fly them ever.

A Legion fit comparable to a Zealot gets maybe 50 more DPS with conflag, and twice the EHP. It's also slower and less agile.
Oh, and it's well over twice the cost.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)