Skill Discussions

I'll ask again: If more SP = instant win, if I roll a newb right now and train it for, say, two weeks, would the fact that you have more SP than my newb equate to an "instant win" for you?

How about after a month?

Two?

Pretty sure I could beat a guy who's only registered kill is against an imparior who had been playing 2+ years. Stop talking like you're some knowledgeable source in PVP. Not saying i am the best, but the fact you wont admit skill points play some role is laughable.

Certain skill points = More damage, More Speed and More everything. It gives a large buffer to those who can afford a mess up and quicker kills, there is no cutthroat PVP in this. Why not make the Frigate to max out skills for it take a day? Not 45? You have to reach a certain threshold to actually PVP effectively otherwise you will get squashed. The higher the ship you fly the more skill points it takes. BTW beautiful kill on the Imparior bet that noob didn't see your one shot coming.

Yeah i guess you are a little slow on the uptake. Deciphering is hard. How often when you are in null sec and low sec do you encounter a new pilot? Pretty damn rare, everyone i see has been playing 2+ years. Basically by saying this you have furthered my point. I am not allowed to take on a pilot that has been playing 2+ years because he just stomps me, because his ship has better fittings and his trained skills aren't sub-par like mine, if he has the same exact ship as me. If he has a different one than he still has a distinct advantage and may even be able to beat me in a rock,paper,scissors match even if i had scissors and he has paper. Why not make the training time less severe for starting out? Are people scared what a noob will do while playing on a level playing field, everyone talks big but has nothing to show for it. If skill points don't equate to anything than why not let people just have them to a certain extent its already what they are doing its just time invested.

Pretty sure you said they don't equate to anything, that your 2 week character could easily beat a 5 year old character, thus making skill points null. So basically you are back-stepping hard. Well the fact of the matter is, the PVP is not overly difficult nor are the builds, there are flavor of the month ships, flavor of the month builds like many MMO's. The fact that you see EVE as its own separate unique entity with multitudes of builds is pretty funny . I mean you can swap out a couple things here and there but the bulk is rather the same you take a role and perform it like in any MMO. However in this MMO, you have to train months on end to get these skills, you aren't given the same skills as your comrades thus making it an un-even playing field, based on what skills they have. Usually in an MMO everyone is given the same damage modifiers (besides gear) the talents are the same. This one you can get them but they take months on end of training thus meaning skill points have a high regard to value in the success of PVP. The PVP in this game is not hard, you think because it requires some basic math that its the ultimate PVP challenge, its different but not challenging. I player can easily grasp it in a 1-2 week time span. That said if everyone has the same grasp what does this boil down to? Im glad you asked, it boils down to skill points and the level of fittings you have, which oddly enough is based on skill points as well. If you watch videos of some of the most successful pvpers they are not doing anything overly complex, watching angular velocity, managing capacitor outputs and the damage they are applying. However, very rarely do i see these successful pilots flying a rifter in all t1 fittings, with level 1-3 skills.

I like the fact that you think this PVP is overly difficult. it isn't for anyone who does any research on the topic. Yet you cant say anything on the fact that someone who hits twice as hard as you, goes twice your speed, has twice your tracking and twice your effective tanking does not have a distinct advantage on you. I don't care who you are with these factors you will be hard pressed to win. You cannot blame everything on ineptness and say the game is perfectly balanced and that skill points play no substantial role. You have to train for a month or two even before you can start PVP and be on a level playing field which i find to be ridiculous.

This thread is really going nowhere.

You didn't like my idea of giving new players 100 mil skill points to start with.

So here is my new proposal in that it makes all the new players happy & might even make the older players happy too.

CCP, just give everyone max skills in everything. That's right just level 5 in every skill when you begin a new character & also give everyone in this game level 5 skills.

Now would this make you happy? Probably not because some whiners only know how to whine.

Cool. Post your main, and whenever I get a break in my training queue, I'll come find you with a two week old character. :)

It's... quite clearly not, which pretty obviously demonstrates that you know your own position is bunk, and don't want to have to demonstrated it you.

Me: Hey guy who thinks SP is everything, I'll duel you with a 2 week old character and we'll see if you're right. Who's your main?
You: no, U!

You're not even making sense at this point. I'm just going to file you under dunning-kruger poster-troll.

You're totally right, guy. SP is everything and you will always be bad because you started late.