Skill Discussions

Yes, the 2 years were possibly an exagerration unless they were aiming for flying capitals well while NOT training them as a pure alt, while maintaining a healthy progression via (skilled) BC and BS.

On the other hand, IF you care to define capital warfare as EVE's equivalent to progress raiding - which seems a somewhat legitimate analogy - those 2 years are not that far off. I'd really like to read the outrage in WoW's forums if they set a somewhat similar obstacle. Srsly, I would. I'd need tons of popcorn for that, though ;).


Honestly, I ran into a similar SP wall pretty early, when all plans for nice ships ended up taking a year or longer. I might have quit then, if I
- didn't enjoy making and optimizing skill plans all the time (this is NOT for everyone)
- hadn't found a leisurely corp via a response on participating in the eveger forum (again participating in forums is NOT for everyone)
- hadn't had 2 accs to play with when my wife found EVE was not for her (again, creating more than one acc is NOT for everyone)
- hadn't been willing to spend a few months of subscription money to take the pressure off generating ISK (again, NOT everyone is willing or even in a position to spend this money)


So..remove all the things that are not for everyone and you'd have a newbie quitting before the trial is over - unless he didn't even find out about EVEmon and basic game mechanisms by then, in which case he would be exactly the player type the majority does NOT want in their corp.

If it was an exaggeration, it's one that he's been very tenacious about defending. Review his posts; where do you get the idea he's exaggerting from, because to my eyes, he's pretty adamant about that timescale.



It's a terrible analogy, because EVE isn't structured anything like WoW. Although come to think of it, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what he has in mind.

Why is that a terrible analogy?

The quota of actual (successful) progress raiders in WoW is probably not larger than that of capital pilots in EVE.
Both are somewhat prestigious with people aspiring towards it - especially those young or new enough to be unaware of the implicit consequences.

And why should a new player be aware of those?
You're usually coming from a plethora of other space games out there where the rule about ships is "the bigger, the better".
Even after knowing the drawbacks I still took a look at supercarriers for their sheer awesomeness :). (Not planning to ever fly one, mind)

Yeah right, and that's why veteran players are not given any remaps. Oh wait...

New characters are given BONUS remaps for precisely that reason. Note the emphasis on "bonus". Everyone else gets an annual remap, with the occasional bonus doled out as holiday gifts.

At this point you've essentially asserted that you want to be able to train a variety of skills at an optimal sp/hr at all times, and not have to spend any of your "valuable" bonus remaps to do it.

I'm a new player myself and I must tell you that under 1 mil sp I joined my corp mates for L3 missions and had a blast.

you need to understand that there are tons of possilbe builds which ar there to aid you in conjuction with your skills as a player.
1. you need to choose which role you want to play.. let's say soldier.
2. then you need to choose which faction you want to fly which is a sub-choice of which weapon you wish to use!
2.1 let's say you want to play Amarr like me for L4Z0rs and such.
3. now you need to plan... first if you just started don't rush to fly cruisers and battleships ! it's madness... train your frigate\destroyer skills. you choose amar? stick to gunnery as weapon system and choose support skills which helps with armor tanking and other skills which you may find helpful.
4. last tip is to check your current skill training time, certification is great for e-peen strocking but if I have 10 awsome skills which gives me 5% bonus to 10 different systems or one great skill which gives me 10% bonus to a single system I'll train the 10 short time skills first then I'll train the long time one.

one more thing... on one point or another you'll need drones.. if you don't have a ship in mind which you'll want to flyy and you know it don't have a drone bay you should train drones to V asap (5 days) and some support skills for drones.

and one more which I forgot... check which attributes are used for your skills of choice and remap them accordingly. do some low level missions like career agent hubs for easy isk and get a +3 implant set asap (around 50mil isk).. you'll save so much time in training you'll thanks me later.

good luck!

You were obliterated by people who know more about the game - not by their SPs or their "better" ships. As an aside, I would enjoy hearing what, specifically, makes their ships "better" than yours.




Have you considered, even for a moment, that you just don't know what you're doing? I understand the impulse to place the blame for your failures on external factors that you don't control, but have you even stopped to think that maybe it's you?

Have you gone to friends/corp mates/the forums and said, "Hey, every time I go out to low or null sec, I get owned pretty badly. Here's the ship and fitting I'm using. Is there something I should be doing differently?"

Have you checked out Eve University?

Eve is not a terribly intuitive game, but a little bit of advice can go a long way.



This suggests that, if I were to roll a new character and begin training it right now, I would be hopelessly outmatched by, say... You. Do you actually think that's the case?

Of course you could always AVOID a fight, but assuming you actually WANT to fight, with skills in the IIIs you would ALWAYS be outmatched by someone in a similar or better ship with skills in the Vs.

Unless of course you fly a clear rock to their scissors. But if both of you bring a random ship that's somewhat unlikely.

No, my (and other people like myself's) problems are mostly borne from the attitude of elitist jerks who feel they have a right to an infinite advantage over newer players simply because they started playing the game earlier.

Not min/maxing and thus reaching my long term goals even later would definitely increase my appreciation of the SP system, you're probably right. Or maybe not...

This thread has so many tears of I can't play game if I don't have 100 mil skill points. It is getting a little sad to say the least.

So, What I propose is that CCP gives all new players 100 million free skill points to use where they want too.

This probably still wouldn't stop the whining because these new players wouldn't know what to do with all the skill points.

But at least this same old whine & thread which comes up every other week would change to a new whine fest.

Please, CCP give new players 100 million skill points to start game with.