These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Missions & Complexes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

my nighmare has low dps

Author
Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-03-06 01:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mer88
i dont understand

i got 4x faction tach
3 x heatsink t2
but only pulling 588 dps with T1 multicrystal

for skills i have
caldari BS lvl 4
Large energy weapon lvl 2
Rapid fire lvl 4
surgical strike lvl 4

pretty much all gunnery support skills lvl 4-5

So the only skill im waiting for is large energy weapon to lvl 4
that will add 10%

i have no energy weapon implants so if i use them, that gives me another 10% i tguess

so in total my max dps is 588 + 20%( from skills and implants) = 700 gun dps

Is that the max i can do with T1 ammo on a nighmare? i was hoping for 1k at least being a laser

how do people get over 1k dps?
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#2 - 2013-03-06 02:10:27 UTC
With maxed skills, T1 crystals, T2 heat sinks you will be lucky to get 750 dps.
Changing out the T2 Heat sinks to faction will make 800.
Some really exspensive (Pashan's) implants will get you to 925.
But faction crystals will push you over 1060.
T2 Tachys with faction ammo and all the above will get you 1125.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-06 02:17:29 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Change to faction multi immediately. Dirt cheap. Then swap t2 to faction hs. Fit 4 hs, not 3. Plus 3 TE/TC with range script.
Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-03-06 02:32:01 UTC
are faction crystal really worth the trouble? it say they get consumed.
right now i use cap boosters not much room for anything else. How often do i need to replace them? btw, they are like 1m per crystal.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-06 02:55:11 UTC
Don't use faction guns, you won't benefit from your skills that affect T2 turrets. It's just no worth it. Also using a 4th heat sink isn't worth it, the stacking penalty is horrible when you pass 3 heat sink.

With max skills, T2 turrets with faction multifrequency and 3 imperial navy heat sink you have 915 dps... Overall your support skills aren't good enough to use that ship decently in my opinion.
Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-03-06 02:57:31 UTC
I dont plan to use T2 gun because of the huge training time. Plus i heard there are benefits to use faction (lower cap and pwr req). Yeah i think my skills are still a bit low hopefully i will see bigger dps when ur suggestions. thanks
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-06 03:01:43 UTC
This game is about being patient to finally acquire a reward. T2 guns deal more dps than faction one for a tiny fraction of the price. If you have good support skills you will be able to fit your ship easily with T2 guns. So, as any experienced player will tell you, i strongly advise you to wait and train T2 guns.

Nigthmares are cool but they work amazingly well in group due to their 2 utility high slots, if you plan on running missions solo i would advise you to chose another ship ! Of course you can fit a salvager and a tractor beam in those slots but that would be a shame really.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#8 - 2013-03-06 03:01:49 UTC
Faction crystals take forever to break. Its the T2 crystals that are quick to break, roughly 4 times as fast I think. Or 3.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-06 03:04:40 UTC
Yep faction crystals are worth it :) keep in mind that every other faction have to use ammo so it's only fair if the best crystals deplete over time.
Kraillach
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-06 05:04:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kraillach
you need large energy turrets lvl V asap, if im not wrong (pls correct me if i am) thats a 15% dps (for lvl 3 -5) increase to the damage output of the large energy turrets.

i can be a bit of a pain to train but its worth it in the end, then get ur beam specialization to 4 that way u get an extra 8% dps when usin t2 weaps.

those 2 above is a 23% increase on the base DPS of your ship.
bufnitza calatoare
#11 - 2013-03-06 06:46:37 UTC
Debra Tao wrote:
Don't use faction guns, you won't benefit from your skills that affect T2 turrets. It's just no worth it. Also using a 4th heat sink isn't worth it, the stacking penalty is horrible when you pass 3 heat sink.

With max skills, T2 turrets with faction multifrequency and 3 imperial navy heat sink you have 915 dps... Overall your support skills aren't good enough to use that ship decently in my opinion.



ONLY reason people use faction tachs is they use far less cap than t2 tachs.
bufnitza calatoare
#12 - 2013-03-06 06:47:46 UTC
Mer88 wrote:
i dont understand

Is that the max i can do with T1 ammo on a nighmare? i was hoping for 1k at least being a laser

how do people get over 1k dps?



I will send you a ingame eve mail with my old fitting. I will also tell you where you can mission in peace all day every day. AND make great isk.
Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T
#13 - 2013-03-06 06:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulasikaly Wada
Tachy-Nightmare = 4 Faction crystals every 8 hours of pew pew
Pulse-Armageddon = 7 Scorc eveery 45 minutes
Do your math

And about dps VS skill points ... an heavy hitter Bs for what ever you want is always worth every skill point even to all lvl 5

Hula
bufnitza calatoare
#14 - 2013-03-06 07:00:31 UTC
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:
Tachy-Nightmare = 4 Faction crystals every 8 hours of pew pew
Pulse-Armageddon = 7 Scorc eveery 45 minutes
Do your math

And about dps VS skill points ... an heavy hitter Bs for what ever you want is always worth every skill point even to all lvl 5

Hula



yeah totally forgot about faction crystals... one a tach fitted nightmare a set of 4 iNavy MF's should last you about 75 missions, one of the many reasosn I love the nm.

infact I love it so much I am building a new nightmare incase anything happens to my null sec access :)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-03-06 11:38:13 UTC
fit t2 guns, faction damage mods. for starters.
also, use faction ammo.
oh, and a nightmare should have 4 heat sinks, not 3.

a tach nightmare gets 1135 DPS. with pulse it pushes out 1312.
at max skills, with hammerheads.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout

bufnitza calatoare
#16 - 2013-03-06 13:36:00 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
fit t2 guns, faction damage mods. for starters.
also, use faction ammo.
oh, and a nightmare should have 4 heat sinks, not 3.

a tach nightmare gets 1135 DPS. with pulse it pushes out 1312.
at max skills, with hammerheads.


4 damage mods is purely optional. I say 3 and 2 tracking enhancers.

better quality hits = better dps over time.

and there si NOT that much dps difference between t2 and faction.

t2 with drones and 4 damage mods. 1235 using faction ammo
faction with drones. 1102, but t2 tachs will ALWAYS chew through the cap faster.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#17 - 2013-03-06 13:45:52 UTC
As mentioned - Amarr Navy multifreq for a start, a +15% damage right there and worth every isk spent on it. Fitting 4 damage mods is good idea as well - even with stacking penalty the 4th navy heatsink still increases your damage approx 5% (remember, both damage and RoF bonus on these).

And then ofc top it off with some hardwires.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.

Bereza Mia
Trade Federation of EVE
#18 - 2013-03-06 15:47:11 UTC
Faction crystal = 5000 shots - must have
T2 crystal = ~1000 shots.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#19 - 2013-03-06 15:51:53 UTC
low skills
not using faction ammo on a ship that uses -50% ammo
yeah
bufnitza calatoare
#20 - 2013-03-06 16:12:37 UTC
Bereza Mia wrote:
Faction crystal = 5000 shots - must have
T2 crystal = ~1000 shots.



faction crystals are actually 4k shots not 5k.
12Next page