EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi there,

I am after suggestions on what is below but also comments as to whether I am on the right track in terms of strategies. I am posting here rather than a build forum because I am more interested in comments on whether I am thinking along the correct lines than the actual build (though I will actually fly this ship).

I have been playing for 6 days and have decided to use my racial free Coercer for my initial Level 1 agent missions as the forums state the destroyers are suitable for this level. The advantages over a cruiser are:
- I will hopefully learn more about battle tactics in a smaller ship
- I can get another one for free by training again at a different school if I do break it.


Does this make sense ?

Searching the main forums for advise I came up with this build in the EFT tool:

The Build -
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/modules_zpsed40afb0.jpg

My logic is:

Low Slots
[200mm Reinforced Rolled tungsten Armor]because its Amarr and meant to tank armor
[Basic Damage Control] for the same reason
[Armor Repair]to fix that armor

Medium Slots
[1MN Afterburner]because otherwise its dog slow
[Stasis Webifier 1]in case ever meet drone 'n stuff ... not sure about this one in Amarr space

High Slots
[ Dual Light Beam laser 1 with Radio S] * 8 because it is Amarr and Amarr do lasers and Radio S because the coercer is a long range beastie

The logic behind the Radio S is the 8 turrets make up for the low hit power, whereas the +60% Radio S range combined with the 50% from the Coercer itself gives me a range of 2.4 x normal letting me hit at 20km plus. I will of course carry sets of standard S and multi-frequency S for situations I need more smacking grunt.

Comments?

Ok makes sense

Will adaptive plating stack with the Basic Damage Control Unit or will they conflict?

Mr M'pact's suggestion is quite good, as i go beyond from missioning for a long time


no stacking penalty of damage control with other resistance modules
so if you u get 1 DC and 1 resist modules, both 100% effective,
when u put 1 DC and 2 resist modules,
DC and the more powerful resist modules effect 100%, and the last one only 87%

although no stacking penalty of DC and resist modules, due to the calculation of resistance ,
for example,
now your EM resistance is 0%,
put 1 modules with state "50% EM resistance", your EM resistance will go from 0 to 50%
put 1 more, your EM resistance will go from 50 to 75%

We sell these, if you're interested...

RAEC Lancea
Coercer Hull
High: 8 x Gatling Pulse Laser
Medium: 1 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane, 1 x Small Armor Repairer, 1 x 200mm Steel Plates
Low: 3 x Small Capacitor Control Circuit
Rigs: 1 x Small Anti-Explosive Pump, 1 x Small Anti-Kinetic Pump, 1 x Small Anti-Thermal Pump
Cargo: 8 of each crystal type

The Bad: Lasers are very short ranged and the ship itself if very, very slow. It's also totally PvE themed and probably useless in PvP.

The Good: It's frikkin' indestructible in L1/L2 missions because with any halfway decent skills it is cap stable even with the repairer running non-stop. Also cheap & noob friendly (we normally sell them for around 2,000,000 fit as shown, with discount if you're in EvE Uni).

You've got the mods in the wrong place on that mate. Capacitor Control Circuits (CCC's) are rigs. Energized Nano Membrane, Armour rep, and plates are low slot modules. OP, your fit is good for 6 days old, much better than what I came up with when I was 6 days in (dual tanked cormorant ftw). One crucial thing, however, never, and I mean NEVER, fit 'Basic' modules. Use the vanilla T1, meta, or T2 as price and skills allow. Here is a fit I threw together for you that should be able to handle all L1 and many L2 missions.

Coercer: Low Skill Missioner

Highs:
Dual Light Pulse Laser I x8

Mids:
1mn Afterburner I
Cap Recharger I

Lows:
Damage Control I
Small Armour Repairer I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I

Rigs:
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I x3

You should be able to fit this, and the cap will last plenty long for you to run the mission (if it isn't already stable)

Thanks for the help everyone.

The fit I finally used was this:


Coercer: (L1/L2 Mission Ship)

Highs:
Dual Light Beam Laser I x8
(sometimes swap in a salvage I)

Mids:
1mn Afterburner I
Supplemental Scanning CPU I (with Targeting Range Script)

Lows:
Damage Control I
Small Armour Repairer I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I

Rigs:
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I x2
Small Energy Locus Co-ordinator I


Basically the extra targetting range and longer optimal range make up for my inept pilot skills

1: as others have said, don't use Basic modules. Damage control I. Or II when you can.

2: as a new player in Amarr, capacitor is killer. Put capacitor control circuits in all of the rig slots.

3: webber is unnecessary against NPCs when you're using small guns. Drop it, fit a capacitor recharger instead (see point 2)

4: generally speaking "Dual" guns are a weird intermediate power-level that you don't want to bother with if you can fit full-on "medium" (actually small, names are weird) light beam lasers on there. Or, if you want shorter-range, harder-hitting weapons, actually switch types and use pulse lasers.

5: you can switch ammo by deactivating the guns, dragging the new ammo in, and reactivating, and it doesn't take much space. Go ahead and bring your Radio if you like it, but include a set of multifrequency for heavy close in damage as well, and maybe some standard too. Carry the spares in cargo and swap 'em out as needed.

6: prioritize the above, then fit the biggest plate you can find if you're gonna do plates. With the AB, being slow isn't a big concern for you since ABs don't use much cap and can thus run for a long time.

My preference with the Coercer is to use beams, fill the lowslots with heatsinks, and rely on the afterburner to keep me at sufficient range to speed and shield tank the destroyer. Yes, I will eventually take armour damage, but I can fix that by paying the station to repair it for me, or undock with a small repairer fitted and repair between missions.

The advice about not mixing buffer and active tank is valuable.

My low-level mission alts are running L1 and L2 missions in destroyers and assault frigates, for which I use the same strategies: long range weapon systems, focus on DPS and speed, finish the mission as quickly as possible and return to base with more than 1% structure

These alts have less than 10M SP, though I have specifically focussed on Engineering, Electronics, Mechanics and Hull Upgrades for various reason.

As an example, I have an alt flying a Corax. This character can take out most L1 and L2 frigate NPCs with one or two light missiles. Moving to rockets for more DPS would be counterproductive since the Corax is capable of clearing rooms within a couple of volleys. With light missiles and moderate missile skills the Corax is capable of staying outside the weapons range of frigates and most cruisers. Thus no active or buffer tanking modules are required.

Low Slots
2 x [Heat Sink II] because its Amarr and meant to vanquish enemies with the light of truth
1 x [Tracking Enhancer II] because see above :)

Medium Slots
[1MN Afterburner II]because otherwise its dog slow
[Stasis Webifier 1]in case ever meet drone 'n stuff ... not sure about this one in Amarr space

High Slots
[ Dual Light Beam laser 1 with Radio S] * 8 because it is Amarr and Amarr do lasers and Radio S because the coercer is a long range beastie

Note that using Multifrequency S will reduce your range but significantly upgrade your DPS. Long range is good, but lots of DPS is better, especially once you figure out how to close the range without getting blown up.

Also, switch up to the best beam lasers you can fit. I don't have my fitouts right here with me, but can you squeeze Medium Modulated Energy Beam I into your fitting? It might even be worth switching a heat sink out for a Micro Auxiliary Power Core, just to squeeze that last Medium Modulated Energy Beam I into the fitting.

The 1MN Afterburner II is non-optional, but you can save CPU and PG by leaving the stasis webifier off. If you're within 10km of a target, you're in trouble.

Another option for the low slots is to stuff them full of overdrive injectors to help ensure that you maintain range.