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Rookie heading to low-sec/null-sec
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Ferdaid O'Neill
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-04 18:54:14 UTC
I keep coming back to this as a slightly mad way to find my feet in this game. I mean I've only got 700k SP, clones are cheap so frequent deaths only cost a killmail...and everyone gets those eventually!

I could continue with missions, but I can see the arguments of missions being repetitive. Mining....ok, it's a way to earn a crust. But I'm determined to try as many different options as I can before settling on the best option(s) for me, especially since I'm wrestling with the "join a corp" question as well.

Am I mad? Is taking a rookie ship into low-sec to make safe-spots a smart move? Or should I travel in a little more style with a Slasher?

What do you think?
addelee
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-03-04 19:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: addelee
You'll be picked up in null space quickly. Either people will assume you're a hot dropper or a spy/camp disruptor.
Safe spots won't save you either as people will probe for you if you sit around too long.

Low may be better in regard to avoiding detection as generally, it's way less organised. If you can get out the gate camps and don't hang around belts; you should survive.

You might however, be better off joining a null corp that doesn't mind rookies. I sure there must be some somewhere...


Edit: I do like the idea though. There's more to eve than mining and missions so fair play. You might do well in wormholes to be honest.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#3 - 2013-03-04 21:34:44 UTC
Sounds like you have a good plan. If it was me I'd take the Slasher - you never know when you'll find a target of opportunity. Don't listen to anybody who tells you that it's a bad idea for a newbie to go to low or null - if they tell you anything that sounds remotely like that, then you need no further evidence to conclude that they are cowards, and therefore can be ignored or targeted as you please. Also, get out of your newb corp ASAP, as it is mostly just a haven for these risk averse types.

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Seven Noctis
#4 - 2013-03-04 22:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Noctis
If you don't care about things like kill/death ratio and just want to learn to swim by being thrown into the water, then by all means.

If you are set on doing it, might as well do so properly. Get a cheap but fully outfitted ship (or several) and see how far your fit and tactics will get you, which probably won't be far at first, but you'll learn something in the process. (I happen to know that) you can certainly afford to blow up a few T1 Frigates/Destroyers.

Do keep in mind that if your pod gets blown up, it's not just the clone cost, but also the cost of all the implants you may have equipped on the clone. So if you want to use your main character for this and have any implants (that you don't want to lose), you'll probably want to get a jump clone first, which requires that you have a 8.0 standing with at least one corp with access to a medical facility.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-04 23:15:52 UTC
Seven Noctis wrote:
If you don't care about things like kill/death ratio and just want to learn to swim by being thrown into the water, then by all means.

If you are set on doing it, might as well do so properly. Get a cheap but fully outfitted ship (or several) and see how far your fit and tactics will get you, which probably won't be far at first, but you'll learn something in the process. (I happen to know that) you can certainly afford to blow up a few T1 Frigates/Destroyers.

Do keep in mind that if your pod gets blown up, it's not just the clone cost, but also the cost of all the implants you may have equipped on the clone. So if you want to use your main character for this and have any implants (that you don't want to lose), you'll probably want to get a jump clone first, which requires that you have a 8.0 standing with at least one corp with access to a medical facility.


Or you could of course use: Estel Arador Corp Services

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Seven Noctis
#6 - 2013-03-05 00:20:48 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Or you could of course use: Estel Arador Corp Services

Yep, it's actually mentioned in the Eve Uni article I linked.
yopparai
ASTARTES CORP
Hashashin Cartel
#7 - 2013-03-05 00:43:55 UTC
Go to NPC Nullsec, learn from each of your losses and keep heading back. Soon you will be a bada$$.

Also take a small mobile warp disruption bubble with your slasher & learn to put up stop & drag bubbles.

Come on out to the Great Wildlands and have some fun. We will probably kill you, but if you stick around and chat we will drop some knowledge on you.

Yopp
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#8 - 2013-03-05 00:45:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
You have found an excellent use of an otherwise quite useless ship. It has the about same function as the mushroom from Super Mario. I second the call to mess around in Slashers, they are excellent ships for new players and you can fit them with all kinds of neat offensive mods... neuts, scrams, webs come to mind.

I remember a fit where I used an energy vampire to keep those mods running a tad longer while I overheated my guns. Look up the skill Thermodynamics, and don't be to scared to engage a rifter with it. Also a good tip is to fill your guns with faction ammo and some ratting ammo in the trunk. That way you can switch between ratting and pvp ammo, and you'll always have enough faction ammo to full your guns fully. You won't need to reload anyway, frigate fights dont take that long.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#9 - 2013-03-05 02:41:20 UTC
Ferdaid O'Neill wrote:
I keep coming back to this as a slightly mad way to find my feet in this game. I mean I've only got 700k SP, clones are cheap so frequent deaths only cost a killmail...and everyone gets those eventually!

I could continue with missions, but I can see the arguments of missions being repetitive. Mining....ok, it's a way to earn a crust. But I'm determined to try as many different options as I can before settling on the best option(s) for me, especially since I'm wrestling with the "join a corp" question as well.

Am I mad? Is taking a rookie ship into low-sec to make safe-spots a smart move? Or should I travel in a little more style with a Slasher?

What do you think?


certainly there is nothing wrong with exploring a bit. with low clone costs and ship costs you can afford to lose a few ships and pods and take a look around. realistically, however, you wont likely get many kills with a low sp toon and you will find pve there to be very challenging until you get a lot more sp.
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-05 12:44:33 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Sounds like you have a good plan. If it was me I'd take the Slasher - you never know when you'll find a target of opportunity. Don't listen to anybody who tells you that it's a bad idea for a newbie to go to low or null - if they tell you anything that sounds remotely like that, then you need no further evidence to conclude that they are cowards, and therefore can be ignored or targeted as you please. Also, get out of your newb corp ASAP, as it is mostly just a haven for these risk averse types.

I have less SP than the OP and I'm heading to null first thing tomorrow. I'm certainly not going to tell anyone it's too early to do something. I would, however, recommend he/she/it get in a corp if they want to go. There's a big difference between getting your start surrounded by friendly, helpful people with jump freighters and getting your start surrounded by bubbles, hostile blobs and a 5000 jump trip through both to the nearest shopping.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
Ferdaid O'Neill
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-03-05 22:36:36 UTC
Firstly thanks to all the replies along with the couple of EVEMails I've had (I'll get to those in due course)

Seven Noctis wrote:
Get a cheap but fully outfitted ship (or several) and see how far your fit and tactics will get you, which probably won't be far at first, but you'll learn something in the process. (I happen to know that) you can certainly afford to blow up a few T1 Frigates/Destroyers.


Haha, yes your buddy offer was (and remains) awesome - the cost of losing a few Frigates is manageable! Lol


Sorry, lots of interesting quotes to mention - and they've all been useful - so I'll just do this one:

Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Sounds like you have a good plan. If it was me I'd take the Slasher - you never know when you'll find a target of opportunity. Don't listen to anybody who tells you that it's a bad idea for a newbie to go to low or null - if they tell you anything that sounds remotely like that, then you need no further evidence to conclude that they are cowards, and therefore can be ignored or targeted as you please. Also, get out of your newb corp ASAP, as it is mostly just a haven for these risk averse types.

I have less SP than the OP and I'm heading to null first thing tomorrow. I'm certainly not going to tell anyone it's too early to do something. I would, however, recommend he/she/it get in a corp if they want to go. There's a big difference between getting your start surrounded by friendly, helpful people with jump freighters and getting your start surrounded by bubbles, hostile blobs and a 5000 jump trip through both to the nearest shopping.


I think part of the problem of low-sec (or null-sec by extension), especially for new players, is that you hear all the bad stories. "You'll get ganked and podded" - well yes, but everyone has to deal with that risk. So, at least for now, flying in low-sec is about the experience...it's about getting to grip with the adrenaline rush that comes from pvp. All that whilst flying something that a) I can afford to lose, b) I can lose 10 of them without major drama and c) it's hard to simulate the pressure from trying to avoid gate camps/running away with your pod.

In short, the longer you operate in the "safety" of high-sec, the harder it becomes to risk trying to survive/operate in low-sec.

I'm going to try an experiment by taking a rookie ship into a mission hub. I'll lose...but that's the point. It provides some experience on the race to warp away in my pod. Of course, NPCs don't pod-kill so it's not the same - but it's a lot safer then asking someone to pop a rookie ship and ONLY lock onto my pod and not shoot it!! Lol

The Agony pvp classes look really good, if only to learn how to defend myself, but outside of that finding a good corp is an important task. EVE-U is an obvious one to learn in, but reading the corp advert posts show that there's other options out there - exploration has caught my eye for example. The trick is to find a good one that won't scam me! Blink
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#12 - 2013-03-06 05:14:38 UTC
Ferdaid O'Neill wrote:

The Agony pvp classes look really good, if only to learn how to defend myself, but outside of that finding a good corp is an important task. EVE-U is an obvious one to learn in, but reading the corp advert posts show that there's other options out there - exploration has caught my eye for example. The trick is to find a good one that won't scam me! Blink


Finding a good corp takes time and patience, but reading over your posts i doubt you will have any trouble at all finding a good one who can take you in and guide you when its needed Big smile

Im not sure if you have read this thread yet, but its worth a read for when you are starting to look for a corp and will hopefully help you avoid choises you end up regretting. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16943&find=unread

Good luck!

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darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-06 11:02:20 UTC
Nice attitude, I think you'll make a great PvPer simply because you're not afraid to try things. I would definitely go with a Slasher rather than a rookie ship, wouldn't want to end up all alone with a miner in a system and no way to protect the asteroids.

As others have already said, try to find a decent corp, ideally one that welcomes rookies and helps them get their PvP feet wet. Whether to do so in low or null is a question of personal taste really. I hear null PvP is quite a bit different from what we have in low but I've never tried it myself, I'm sure there are people more qualified to talk about that :)

Anyway, welcome to the not-so-boring side of EVE!

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Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-07 11:14:10 UTC
OK, google 'eve maps dotlan' and have a look at the maps.

Open the map to, say, Syndicate. See 'ship/pod kills'. Look and see if theres a way you can try and get in without running into an obvious gate camp.

Practice bouncing around a losec system, going from planet to planet. See who is in the system and what corps they belong to. Try and build up a picture of who lives there.

Enjoy your Slasher.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-03-07 19:16:02 UTC
Rookie ships are free. Since your clones are under the smallest SP clones for sale, you could in theory do this without cost to yourself.

And if that's the case, go nuts with it.

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Crash Bendar
Riverview Retirement Home
#16 - 2013-03-08 12:04:59 UTC
I bought an Ibis for 40k, I have 300k sp and no implants. I made a suicide run into nullsec and was immediately caught in multiple warp disruption bubbles. Then I died. I thought this would be and was a valuable learning experience. I lost nothing, I even got the ship back when I died. The noob channel however was absolutely hostile to this adventure all the way, made threats and personal insults for merely mentioning it. They appear adamant to slap down anyone with the audacity to step out of line.
Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-08 14:07:46 UTC
Well i rat in low at times and i've been playing 2 weeks.

Check the map for ship kiils, find a quiet spot and go at it. When people are in local keep dscan up.

I'd suggest using a frig or dessie at first.
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#18 - 2013-03-08 21:56:45 UTC
You will be hunted, you will be killed

But more likely in a T1 Frigate than a rookie ship.

Then again in a T1 Frigate you can fight back, learn more about pvp and generally have a damn good time in the scary dark places where the lions & tigers & bears live!

Also remember to convo the people who blew you up (if it was a lone pirate I wouldn't bother with gate camps & blobs)

But most solo pvp'ers are usually willing to chat about fittings & what you could have done better

Pirate

**fake edit** you can fight back in a rookie ship too ofc but unless you have excellent skills it's merely a token -> Arty Reaper FTW!

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-03-08 22:07:32 UTC
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
You will be hunted, you will be killed

But more likely in a T1 Frigate than a rookie ship.

Then again in a T1 Frigate you can fight back, learn more about pvp and generally have a damn good time in the scary dark places where the lions & tigers & bears live!

Also remember to convo the people who blew you up (if it was a lone pirate I wouldn't bother with gate camps & blobs)

But most solo pvp'ers are usually willing to chat about fittings & what you could have done better

Pirate

**fake edit** you can fight back in a rookie ship too ofc but unless you have excellent skills it's merely a token -> Arty Reaper FTW!


Don't forget the mighty Cynobis...

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Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#20 - 2013-03-08 22:44:13 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


Don't forget the mighty Cynobis...


"Beware the Cynobis, my son!
The Webs that bite, the Scrams that catch!
Beware the Falcon bird, and shun
The frumious Nagasnatch!"

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
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