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Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2013-03-04 10:21:10 UTC
Indeed it is
much like when the Gallente started bombarding Caldari prime after the Caldari seceeded from the Federation, where private individuals were singled out for punishment thanks to the position of thier government.
Do you not like the taste of your own medicine?

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.
Simon Coal
Comstock Daze
#102 - 2013-03-04 11:29:15 UTC
If it was bad when it happened to your people (and it obviously was), then it is bad when it happens to mine, yes. Am I supposed to feel foolish now?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#103 - 2013-03-04 12:54:32 UTC
Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:
Indeed it is
much like when the Gallente started bombarding Caldari prime after the Caldari seceeded from the Federation, where private individuals were singled out for punishment thanks to the position of thier government.
Do you not like the taste of your own medicine?

Actually, unless you have a different record of history than the rest of us, the bombardment was initiated as a response to the terrorist acts certain of those 'private individuals' were undertaking on Caldari Prime against Gallente targets on the city, the most notable of which was the dome breach of an underwater city resulting in the entire city being murdered.
Not because the Caldari Goverment was saying anything.

I in no way support the current war for either side as a note, but really, at least get your history in the right order as to events and causes.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#104 - 2013-03-04 16:37:26 UTC
Simon Coal wrote:
Stitcher wrote:

We've not heard anything from Home, because there's nothing to report. The State looks after its citizens.


Sometimes at gunpoint, as recent events are showing. Look, there's been a lot of violence in the State recently. Your leader is a racist, and a racist terrorist group has been acting more openly since he took power. We have every right to be concerned about how conditions on Caldari Prime will play out.


Why don't you visit Caldari Prime then if your concerned about the conditions? nothing is stopping you and nothing stoped me.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#105 - 2013-03-04 22:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Sylux Raynes wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

Now your being snide. Where was CONCORD when the State took Caldari Prime?


Where was the Gallente Navy when the State took Caldari Prime ?


Neither one of these questions are relevant if you read the history of what transpired.


Mine was only rhetorical.

Simon Louvaki wrote:


Infighting is what keeps that Leviathan from glassing Gallente Prime, James.


You sure seem convinced that it can actually do it.

I can not since I lack a lot of determining factors in that equation.

Simon Louvaki wrote:


Why don't you visit Caldari Prime then if your concerned about the conditions? nothing is stopping you and nothing stoped me.


I seem to remember several reports of gallente loyalist guerilla on Caldari Prime at the outbreak of war, and after.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#106 - 2013-03-04 22:53:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Lyn Farel wrote:

You sure seem convinced that it can actually do it.

I can not since I lack a lot of determining factors in that equation.


I'm convinced that if Heth had support and enough reason to do it then plenty of innocent people are going to die one way or another. The last time I was around Gallente PrimeI saw no fleet or orbital structures to fend off the sudden onslaught of a Leviathan and its support fleet.

Lyn Farel wrote:

I seem to remember several reports of gallente loyalist guerilla on Caldari Prime at the outbreak of war, and after.


This is true, but it doesn't stop anyone from coming and going as they please.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Tobias Annages
Doomheim
#107 - 2013-03-04 23:43:11 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=mentas-blaque-continues-harsh-condemnation-of-state-roden-speaks-outstanding

Mentas Blaque continues harsh condemnation of State; Roden speaks outstanding

Luminaire – Black Eagles Director Mentas Blaque once again spoke out about Tibus Heth's regime on Monday afternoon, blasting the government of the Caldari State for “failing to uphold its own laws and allowing a trampling of rights by a power-crazed dictator.”
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#108 - 2013-03-05 00:00:47 UTC
Perhaps Mentas Blaque should refrain from trying to tell the Caldari State what is or isn't illegal. The Federation lost its right to command us to follow their idea of law when we won our independence. We will resolve this in our own way, for good or ill.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#109 - 2013-03-05 00:09:43 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Perhaps Mentas Blaque should refrain from trying to tell the Caldari State what is or isn't illegal. The Federation lost its right to command us to follow their idea of law when we won our independence. We will resolve this in our own way, for good or ill.


I think President Roden agrees with you.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#110 - 2013-03-05 01:43:57 UTC
Quote:
President Roden, when asked to comment on Blaque's statements, gave a terse answer, saying, “The military security of the Gallente Federation is a paramount priority for my administration. However, the internal matters of the Caldari are not something Director Blaque should openly discuss. He should deal with our internal affairs and allow the Caldari to deal with theirs.”


Glad to see President Roden speak some sense. As much as Blaque has been blustering lately, I was starting to wonder who the President really was.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#111 - 2013-03-05 02:06:29 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Quote:
President Roden, when asked to comment on Blaque's statements, gave a terse answer, saying, “The military security of the Gallente Federation is a paramount priority for my administration. However, the internal matters of the Caldari are not something Director Blaque should openly discuss. He should deal with our internal affairs and allow the Caldari to deal with theirs.”


Glad to see President Roden speak some sense. As much as Blaque has been blustering lately, I was starting to wonder who the President really was.

Don't put to much hope in President Rodens comments. Director Blaques is just positioning himself for the next election and Roden knows it.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#112 - 2013-03-05 04:08:38 UTC
Then I hope this can be resolved quick enough to take the wind out of his sails.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-03-05 04:56:13 UTC
Looking forward to Blaque's announcement that he will be running for president.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#114 - 2013-03-05 05:40:12 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Then I hope this can be resolved quick enough to take the wind out of his sails.


I agree. Blaque does have a point though. If Heth's government falls, there's no way to predict what the crew of that Leviathan will do.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#115 - 2013-03-05 05:54:59 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Then I hope this can be resolved quick enough to take the wind out of his sails.


I agree. Blaque does have a point though. If Heth's government falls, there's no way to predict what the crew of that Leviathan will do.


This is also true. However unless there is something done to ease the minds of those in the State, much like what you said with the space around Caldari Prime being demilitarized and the planet being guaranteed as State territory by CONCORD, then the Leviathan will remain there indefinatly.

[Note: I wasn't demanding Luminarie be demeliterized, it was simply my opinion on the matter]

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
ColonelNick
Providence Guard
#116 - 2013-03-05 10:53:13 UTC
Has Heth been confirmed as the one who gave the order? Are there links to this story even taking place?

Heth was given his powers by the CONSENT of the caldari people. Not all of them, but a vast majority. He fought on the surface of Caldari Prime during the retaking, Risking his own life and limb to fight for what he believed in (to which he cannot clone into a new body, i might add). None of this has been confirmed as Heths work.


Until we have all the facts and evidence, i will remain skeptical, for all we know this was some Gallente black operation designed to frame our leader.

You people sicken me.

ColonelNick, CEO, Providence Guard, Callsign: "Codeine"
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#117 - 2013-03-05 12:29:25 UTC
Executor Heth has launched an investigation into the actions of the Homeguard ships over New Caldari Prime. I eagerly await the findings of that enquiry.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#118 - 2013-03-05 17:01:09 UTC
ColonelNick wrote:
Has Heth been confirmed as the one who gave the order? Are there links to this story even taking place?

Heth was given his powers by the CONSENT of the caldari people. Not all of them, but a vast majority. He fought on the surface of Caldari Prime during the retaking, Risking his own life and limb to fight for what he believed in (to which he cannot clone into a new body, i might add). None of this has been confirmed as Heths work.


Until we have all the facts and evidence, i will remain skeptical, for all we know this was some Gallente black operation designed to frame our leader.

You people sicken me.


All I know is what I saw, and that was Home Guard vessels undiscriminating murdering Caldari civilians. There was nothing black ops about this.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#119 - 2013-03-05 18:33:14 UTC
ColonelNick wrote:
Has Heth been confirmed as the one who gave the order? Are there links to this story even taking place?

Heth was given his powers by the CONSENT of the caldari people. Not all of them, but a vast majority. He fought on the surface of Caldari Prime during the retaking, Risking his own life and limb to fight for what he believed in (to which he cannot clone into a new body, i might add). None of this has been confirmed as Heths work.


Until we have all the facts and evidence, i will remain skeptical, for all we know this was some Gallente black operation designed to frame our leader.

You people sicken me.


Heth was given his powers by softheaded morons who allowed themselves to be taken in by a demagogue, for what reason I will never understand. The Caldari State is not the Federation,, and our government should not be ruled by the winners of a popularity contest. Our State's strength has always been that those who rule had earned their place, something Tibus Heth has never done.

If you are surprised that a corporation led by an incompetent thug turned its guns on its own employees rather than deal with the issue in a more intelligent and effective manner...well, it is unsurprising that you choose to cling to your misguided belief that the Provists act in the best interests of the State and that all our problems can be laid at the feet of the Gallente. You and your kind are what have turned the State into a shadow of what we were only a few years ago.

I am sorry that the truth sickens you. Once, Caldari valued the exposure of fakery and prized real achievement, not empty platitudes and scapegoating. Perhaps someday we will do so again.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#120 - 2013-03-05 20:02:24 UTC
The State system must be at least a little populist, surely? Otherwise, it wouldn't reflect the will of the Caldari people, would it?

That is one issue of meritocracy. You can't necessarily trust the person advancing has everyone's best interest at heart. At least there is the pretense of such in democracy. But I'm not going to pretend I think democracy is infallible.