EVE General Discussion

Actually what I was "up to" was trying to respond to: "I think removing wardecks is a good thing, but only if you found solutions for removing structures and such in highsec."

What do not understand is why "Pay 50 million, and have absolutely no fighting take place" is such a valuable and fulfilling game experience that so many people want to keep it. Why, as an aggressor, do you want to spend 50 million to do nothing for a week?

Hmm, well it sounds a little competitive, since there would be a rush to nab the hauler.

What about throwing free minerals in your hold?

Once SOLAR is gone, we will re-establish the no-non-consensual wars regime.

Please wait while we blob. Well, actually someone else, since the CFC isn't fighting SOLAR.

That's a rather pathetic justification for anything, really. 500m per account per month is not enshrined as an Eve minimum wage law.

I didn't say no one could kill me in high sec. Just that it happens so rarely that I can continue to make the ISK I need to fund my accounts.


With the removal of drone drop as a means of producing minerals at a rate faster than mining, we've seen mineral prices adjust to the mine/mission equilibrium. That is, they are at the point where I can make about the same amount of ISK doing either of these activities. Mineral prices drop, I go mission. Mineral prices rise, I go mine. And, all the other carebears like me are also watching mineral prices and comparing the ISK/hr to decide which to do at any given time.

Without other means of producing minerals faster than mining, mineral prices won't crash, because if they start to drop, we stop mining and go missioning.

Hiring a merc corp doesn't allow me to them undock in my mining ship. Too easy to slip past teh mercs and destroy the barges/exhumers.

WORSE! Hiring Mercs actually gives the PVPers what they want, fights. This means they will keep war dec'ing. The only way to limit the number of war decs you get is to ensure the PVP corps that dec you DO NOT get fights.


If I get war decced, I'm out a cool billion ISK a week whether I lose a ship or not. My goal is to not get war dec'ed in the first place. TO this end, I have a rule to NEVER give a war dec'er a non-suicide gank kill... me or a mercenary I hired.

What is the alternative? Mass unsubs and lost revenue for CCP?

Good luck getting CCP to agree to that.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say CCP nerfs highsec. You can still be pvp immune bar suicide ganks, but it reduces your income more when you do it. So you keep playing but your income goes down. So does the income of similar minded highseccers who fund their accounts with Plex. This should just result in a slight drop in plex prices.

You assume the number of PLEX being purchased is purely inelastic. That is, that CCP will sell the exact same number of PLEX regardless of its in game ISK price.


Let's say a null sec PVPer can earn 50 million ISK an hour ratting. If PLEX is selling for 500 million ISK, then his choice is spend real or rat for 10 hours. That will result in X number of PLEX being bought with real and sold for ISK. That means X number of accounts are funded by PLEX. CCP is making the money of those PLEX funded accounts, just collecting the real from the people buying PLEX.

Drop that to 400 million ISK, because of a high sec nerf. Now, instead of 10 hours ratting, the null PVPer only has to grind 8. More people will take the "grind or 8 hours" then are currently taking the "grind for 10 hours" option. Fewer PLEX sold for real means fewer accounts funded via PLEX and less real revenue for CCP.


On the flip side. CCP nerfed drone drop, casuing mineral prices to rise, increasing the profits of high sec miners. Did this automatically result in more high sec accounts funded by PLEX? Of course not. The ISK price of PLEX would increase just as fast as profits to divide a static number of PLEX.....

Oh, but the number of PLEX being bought was NOT static. As prices increased, players needed more ISK to buy ships. This meant they had to rat longer... or, with increasing PLEX price, more and more null PVPers would just choose to spend real instead of ratting the longer hours needed to earn the ISK.

It is the number of PLEX being bought for real that determines the number of accounts that will be funded via PLEX. PLEX prices just adjust to encourage/discourage high sec carebears from creating more alts funded on those PLEX.


Nerf high sec, drive down profits, drive down PLEX prices, reduce the breakeven on the rat/real money option for null PVPers,, reduce number of PLEX purchased for real, crush CCP's revenue.

ALL wardecs? Then they would make a fake one man corp, dec themselves, pay themselves off and be war free. Repeat every 60 days.