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Faction War and Loving It
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DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#1 - 2013-03-02 18:52:44 UTC
There are many reasons to love being in faction war. Here are a few of mine. Feel free to share yours!

http://themittani.com/features/faction-war-and-loving-it

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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#2 - 2013-03-02 19:36:42 UTC
1. It takes place in that happy place between "stupid space police turn up when you shoot some noob" and "the systems have no names and are exclusively populated by 8 year olds who run crying to their mum if you cloak"

2. I can peeveepee in or out of my underpants

3. An exclusive channel for giving away friendly intel and general trolling

4. There is no 4

5a. The amarr are really terrible and I can almost always rack up half a dozen kills within an hour of logging on (and that includes time spent ship spinning and looking up otter macros) with an almost zero percent chance of dying.

5b. The amarr are really terrible and any ship I kill gives me pretty much a 50/50 chance of adding a podkill to pad out my killboard thingummy. Seriously, does no one know how to warp their pod out these days?

6. Otters

7. Yeah I'm really running out of ideas now

8. Sod it, I'm off to find some cider o7
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2013-03-02 20:31:49 UTC
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
...few ships is of hardly any concern at all as a billion or two ISK isn't hard to come by...

So you either fly massively over-pimped ships or you must give all those ISK to whomever nails you Smile

Considering that it is indeed a semi-introductory PvP course (size restrictions encourage smaller hulls) the potential pay is way over the top, but always glad to read a piece that esentially says "I am a farmer/part time PvP'er (albeit only in gangs)" as it reaffirms everything we who are critical of FW have been saying since CCP deemed it necessary to throw absurd amounts of LP (and hence ISK) at us.

Bottom Line: If you subtract the deaths of random noobs and plain old ganks the number of kills is probably relatively low compared to the forever shinier past when we shot each other for control of space (with no LP!) as well as fun (the two are almost completely separate now).

Disgruntled out.

PS: Welcome to the last place in Eve where fun is still considered a commodity, devalued as it is Big smile
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#4 - 2013-03-02 20:42:36 UTC
Looking at the past through rose tinted spectacles is the first sign of the onset of old age, it comes just before pipe smoking and slippers.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-03-02 20:46:33 UTC
Good write up. I know that Justified Chaos has a TON of fun/kills fighting in FW! Plexes are the new top belt in low sec FW systems btw. LOVE IT.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-03-02 21:46:43 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Looking at the past through rose tinted spectacles is the first sign of the onset of old age, it comes just before pipe smoking and slippers.

/me hides pipe in slippers and tucks them under the reclining chair.

Have no idea what you are taking about!
Shadow Adanza
Mercantile Federation
#7 - 2013-03-02 22:06:02 UTC
Faction War gives me everything I could ask for in EVE. Most fun I've had in any game.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#8 - 2013-03-03 00:48:43 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
...few ships is of hardly any concern at all as a billion or two ISK isn't hard to come by...

So you either fly massively over-pimped ships or you must give all those ISK to whomever nails you Smile

Considering that it is indeed a semi-introductory PvP course (size restrictions encourage smaller hulls) the potential pay is way over the top, but always glad to read a piece that esentially says "I am a farmer/part time PvP'er (albeit only in gangs)" as it reaffirms everything we who are critical of FW have been saying since CCP deemed it necessary to throw absurd amounts of LP (and hence ISK) at us.

Bottom Line: If you subtract the deaths of random noobs and plain old ganks the number of kills is probably relatively low compared to the forever shinier past when we shot each other for control of space (with no LP!) as well as fun (the two are almost completely separate now).

Disgruntled out.

PS: Welcome to the last place in Eve where fun is still considered a commodity, devalued as it is Big smile


Well, you certainly went into left field on your interpretation here. Have you actually done FW alongside any of the core militia groups? a couple billion isn't hard to come by at tier 4, which Gallente were for several months, and you don't need to super farm plexes to do it. Also take into account that if you're GOOD, the loot drops from killing so many WTs can fill out your wallet rather nicely. The number of bumpties flying overpriced fits out here is insane, you can rake in a couple hundred mil in one kill sometimes.

The average price of my fits is frigs in the 20-30 mil range, higher end for navy frigs, cruisers in the 50 million range, and if I do go BC, that's the only time we're talking about 100+. It also helps that I don't lose billions every month.

The absurd amounts of LP are necessary for the simple reason that otherwise people would have to go outside FW to make money to PVP with. If you can provide the decent players with a good enough income to support themselves, then they can just keep flying and shooting, which in turn is healthier for the warzone, and I would say for the eve economy in general, especially for those merchants who take the extra risk involved with stocking our home stations with goods.

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Pax Thar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-03-03 03:55:02 UTC
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
...few ships is of hardly any concern at all as a billion or two ISK isn't hard to come by...

So you either fly massively over-pimped ships or you must give all those ISK to whomever nails you Smile

Considering that it is indeed a semi-introductory PvP course (size restrictions encourage smaller hulls) the potential pay is way over the top, but always glad to read a piece that esentially says "I am a farmer/part time PvP'er (albeit only in gangs)" as it reaffirms everything we who are critical of FW have been saying since CCP deemed it necessary to throw absurd amounts of LP (and hence ISK) at us.

Bottom Line: If you subtract the deaths of random noobs and plain old ganks the number of kills is probably relatively low compared to the forever shinier past when we shot each other for control of space (with no LP!) as well as fun (the two are almost completely separate now).

Disgruntled out.

PS: Welcome to the last place in Eve where fun is still considered a commodity, devalued as it is Big smile


Well, you certainly went into left field on your interpretation here. Have you actually done FW alongside any of the core militia groups? a couple billion isn't hard to come by at tier 4, which Gallente were for several months, and you don't need to super farm plexes to do it. Also take into account that if you're GOOD, the loot drops from killing so many WTs can fill out your wallet rather nicely. The number of bumpties flying overpriced fits out here is insane, you can rake in a couple hundred mil in one kill sometimes.

The average price of my fits is frigs in the 20-30 mil range, higher end for navy frigs, cruisers in the 50 million range, and if I do go BC, that's the only time we're talking about 100+. It also helps that I don't lose billions every month.

The absurd amounts of LP are necessary for the simple reason that otherwise people would have to go outside FW to make money to PVP with. If you can provide the decent players with a good enough income to support themselves, then they can just keep flying and shooting, which in turn is healthier for the warzone, and I would say for the eve economy in general, especially for those merchants who take the extra risk involved with stocking our home stations with goods.



You sir, get it.
Dan Carter Murray
#10 - 2013-03-04 19:10:59 UTC
The once in a blue moon good fight you get.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#11 - 2013-03-05 01:53:59 UTC
OP I am glad you are spreading the word about low sec pvp.

Garr Earthbender wrote:
Good write up. I know that Justified Chaos has a TON of fun/kills fighting in FW! Plexes are the new top belt in low sec FW systems btw. LOVE IT.


Yes fw plexes are definitely like the new top belt. No need to stay in faction war to fight in them though - fw just eliminates a ton of pvp opportunities in plexes. Removal of GCC is what I love.

IMO, if you want more frequent pvp, then you should stay out of fw. If you want more isk then fw makes sense.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#12 - 2013-03-05 08:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Cearain wrote:
Yes fw plexes are definitely like the new top belt. No need to stay in faction war to fight in them though - fw just eliminates a ton of pvp opportunities in plexes. Removal of GCC is what I love.


Doesnt opening a plex simply state "I want to lock your assets to station and I will bring as big of a blob to achieve this as I can".

I mean, FW is already an extension of 0.0 sovereignty so why pretend anyone would actually want fights over it? They might say so in forums but ultimately when chips are down, nobody in FW would want to fight over anything if they can just achieve the same with overwhelming numbers and no fights.

Just like in 0.0
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-03-05 08:54:32 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:

I mean, FW is already an extension of 0.0 sovereignty so why pretend anyone would actually want fights over it? They might say so in forums but ultimately when chips are down, nobody in FW would want to fight over anything if they can just achieve the same with overwhelming numbers and no fights.

Just like in 0.0


Of course, but until the chips are down, the mechanics of FW provide more (and more varied) fights than 0.0

Additionally, blobbing is an inefficient way of capturing systems, because in the time a blob captures one system, the same number of people who don't blob can capture 3-4 systems. So, ultimately, the blob gets the system they want, and the others get the rest.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#14 - 2013-03-05 09:10:29 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
Additionally, blobbing is an inefficient way of capturing systems, because in the time a blob captures one system, the same number of people who don't blob can capture 3-4 systems. So, ultimately, the blob gets the system they want, and the others get the rest.


In theory but what OP wants with his Mittani article is to continue the false rumors of "Caldari outnumber everyone" and attract more people for his side so he can blob every system he wants with lopsided numbers.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-03-05 11:21:52 UTC
Best thing about FW is that you can stay on the sidelines and shoot at both sides ^^

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#16 - 2013-03-05 16:39:35 UTC
FW is only place in EVE where best carebear farmer will get sov, it has nothing to do with pvp really.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#17 - 2013-03-05 17:01:30 UTC
It's also the only place where bitter vets of FW claim its crap now that they took away your advantages and exploits.

Bad Messenger wrote:
FW is only place in EVE where best carebear farmer will get sov, it has nothing to do with pvp really.

nom nom
Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2013-03-05 17:40:04 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
FW is only place in EVE where best carebear farmer will get sov, it has nothing to do with pvp really.


Bitter much? Cool

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-03-05 19:02:51 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Merdaneth wrote:
Additionally, blobbing is an inefficient way of capturing systems, because in the time a blob captures one system, the same number of people who don't blob can capture 3-4 systems. So, ultimately, the blob gets the system they want, and the others get the rest.


In theory but what OP wants with his Mittani article is to continue the false rumors of "Caldari outnumber everyone" and attract more people for his side so he can blob every system he wants with lopsided numbers.


Well that's what the FW stats say. Caldari has the most FW pilots, Gallente have the most kills. Put 2 and 2 together and...
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#20 - 2013-03-05 19:14:45 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Well that's what the FW stats say. Caldari has the most FW pilots, Gallente have the most kills. Put 2 and 2 together and...
What I find is that Caldari have more numbers during EUTZ and Gallente have more numbers during USTZ. Especially since Ev0ke (556 guys) joined and SoTF (100+) and Dark-Rising (200+) left (one out of FW right now and the other moving to Minmatar space).
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