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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
#21 - 2013-03-04 14:33:07 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
[quote=Stardust CEO][quote=Candy Oshea]
Interesting, So something you intend to buy? If you have the isk, then why not follow your own advice (sell it).

As long as no isk is exchanged in between the 2 phases (selling unsecured at good rate(1) & Selling secured at crappy rate (2), you wont be accused of Trickery (buying collateral for (2) with borrowed isk from(1), as you noted 3 days later)

If you wanted to get a loan against an item (tech 2 rigged items w/e) there is a few pawn shops that do loans against those, If its a Blueprint stiplulate it in the terms that you want research added to it, do some homework on the ones that make an offer.


I intend to find something in my assets that will work. Likely a bpo or something fancy that isn't likely to change value too much in the next 6 months. I'm still getting re-familiarized with my assets, they're spread out a bit.
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#22 - 2013-03-04 23:37:52 UTC
Stardust CEO wrote:

I intend to find something in my assets that will work. Likely a bpo or something fancy that isn't likely to change value too much in the next 6 months. I'm still getting re-familiarized with my assets, they're spread out a bit.


Oh man i know that feeling. I guess you can cross that bridge when you come to it. I just re-read your OP, about a bond anchoring you to the game, was else do you do with the other accounts (i read you had 3)? maybe they can try the new content for iskies.

Lots have changed in 4 years, incursions, faction warfare, wormholes, recently CCP has been taking the edge of the game by doing subtle improvements, the best one if the new autopilot & the fact it docks your ship, if the desto is a station. (afk freight for the win)

With regards to the market, it may pay to take a look at some recent killboards to see what ppl are flying, what you traded in 4 years ago, could be bad now.

Take a read of the recent patch notes with regards to the mineral requirement changes for BC, Cruiser, Frigates, mining barges, some of these(including the BPO's) are selling below the new mineral cost, due to saturation, but there is still time to make something from it.

Molic blackbird will hump your leg for every 5 procurers he sells. (so 1 hump every 40 days) hint take a look at the build cost for a procurer, and the price its selling for, (you can't melt them either, "extra materals" dont come out) Procurer is a bit of a dog, try the old Teir 1 BC's

Good luck in future offering, you have plenty more to discover than another MD bond!

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
#23 - 2013-03-05 07:03:20 UTC
There's a chance I might activate other accounts, but for now just the one. I've been looking around for the last couple of days and it does seem like they've made some significant changes. Battleship prices are outrageous. When I was around, Domis were high 40s, maybe 50-51m. I actualy spent a good deal of time self destructing ships for profit at one point, because prices were so low. No longer the case, obviously, with tier 1s clocking in at around 100m.

Thanks for taking the time to type that all up, I appreciate it. I've definitely got some more looking around to do.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-03-05 08:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Candy Oshea wrote:
Molic blackbird will hump your leg for every 5 procurers he sells. (so 1 hump every 40 days) hint take a look at the build cost for a procurer, and the price its selling for, (you can't melt them either, "extra materals" dont come out) Procurer is a bit of a dog, try the old Teir 1 BC's

this is an important point - CCP broke the old "reprocessing value == build cost" paradigma for t1 ships.

the mineral cost for frigates, cruisers, mining barges and battlecruisers (but not yet for battleships) was increased as part of "tiericide" but to prevent excessive speculation (build before patch, reprocess after, free minerals!) the additional minerals are not returned upon reprocessing.
the result is that some of these ships (which people built large stockpiles of in anticipation of an eventual rise in prices after the BPO changes) are trading below mineral cost (but above reprocessing value).

The Insurance Exchange Ratio Blink was taken care off by a system that rebalances insurance payouts based on (long-term) average market prices.
Initially CCP made it sound as if such rebalancing would occur once every few months but in practice it is quit rare.

Mineral prices are much higher than you remember them as meta0 loot was removed from mission/rat loot tables and the drone region rats were changed from dropping alloys to having bounties.

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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
#25 - 2013-03-05 08:47:22 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
Molic blackbird will hump your leg for every 5 procurers he sells. (so 1 hump every 40 days) hint take a look at the build cost for a procurer, and the price its selling for, (you can't melt them either, "extra materals" dont come out) Procurer is a bit of a dog, try the old Teir 1 BC's

this is an important point - CCP broke the old "reprocessing value == build cost" paradigma for t1 ships.

the mineral cost for frigates, cruisers, mining barges and battlecruisers (but not yet for battleships) was increased as part of "tiericide" but to prevent excessive speculation (build before patch, reprocess after, free minerals!) the additional minerals are not returned upon reprocessing.
the result is that some of these ships (which people built large stockpiles of in anticipation of an eventual rise in prices after the BPO changes) are trading below mineral cost (but above reprocessing value).

The Insurance Exchange Ratio Blink was taken care off by a system that rebalances insurance payouts based on (long-term) average market prices.
Initially CCP made it sound as if such rebalancing would occur once every few months but in practice it is quit rare.

Mineral prices are much higher than you remember them as meta0 loot was removed from mission/rat loot tables and the drone region rats were changed from dropping alloys to having bounties.


That explains it then (about mineral prices). Is the insurance payout worthwhile now? I assume it's got to be quite a bit higher than it was before, to match current prices.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-03-05 08:49:11 UTC
addendum to previous post: (why do you have to quote it before I can edit Evil)

CCP managed to introduce (and was slow to nerf) several "get rich quick" schemes (Incursions, FW, ...) and some 0.0 anomalies are ridiculously lucrative (alliance mates report 120-150m isk/h in bounties running forsaken hubs in a tier3 bc) - this is reflected in PLEX prices.
In another conceptual shift Dr EyjoG is working as the EVE Central Bank to stabilize PLEX prices in times of turmoil/excessive speculation (using PLEX confiscated from banned accounts as a warchest).

That's the most fundamental changes that come to mind but you really missed out on a lot of changes and should tread very carefully while you catch up.

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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
#27 - 2013-03-05 08:54:12 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
you really missed out on a lot of changes and should tread very carefully while you catch up.


Thanks for the information. As my goals, and promises to investors, are always very modest, I reckon I could start an offering even now and do fine just jumping in... but I do want to be a little better prepared than that. Plus, it's not like it's work, I rather enjoy poking around in the market.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-03-05 08:54:35 UTC
Stardust CEO wrote:
That explains it then (about mineral prices). Is the insurance payout worthwhile now? I assume it's got to be quite a bit higher than it was before, to match current prices.

most ships trade significantly above insurance value (as I said, CCP rebalances the payouts like... never)

example:

Rokh
insurance payout: 209.5m ISK
insurance cost: 62.9m ISK
net insurance value: 146.6m ISK
Jita price: 241m ISK

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-03-05 09:02:37 UTC
Also prices for everything T2 were very high for much of the last year as, ~3 years after Akita's original predictions, several large 0.0 alliances banded together (across political boundaries) to take advantage of the Tech bottleneck by creating a Technetium Cartel (OTEC).

CCP reacted eventually by introducing Alchemy for Technetium which reduced Technetium prices somewhat.

Currently a group of alliances are trying to re-enact the success of OTEC in NOTEC, a Neodymium cartel. Remains to be seen if that actually works out.

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