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(FIX for exploration) 2 part high/low rated dead sites
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Makavelia
National Industries
#1 - 2013-03-04 11:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
A change to how the 3.10 and 4.10 combat sites operate.

Part 1 (after scanning down the site) starts in high sec: Killing the final BS he drops a lead to a further low sec base (always drops the escilaion), he has a chance to drop 1 faction mod aswell.

Part 2: Will lead you to a low sec within the same region as part 1. The site is like an anomoly in setup, when you get to the last ship it has chance to drop upto 2 faction mods.

Conditions: The low sec site will not spawn until the player warps to it (lasts 24 hours). After 24 hours is up the site registers as a 4.10 combat site sig (with a spacific obvious name) for a further 24 hours. This opens up the site for any low sec explorers to find and finish.

Perhaps the similar can happen in low sec originating sites (part1). part 2 goes to another low sec area in region, meaning you may have to venture into high traffic low sec systems.

PRO: Carebears will have to take risk to reach full exploration potential. An anomoly based site means being probed out will land that player right ontop of you (as i have to take such that risk in rad/mags......)

CON: Carebear tears

PRO: new players will still get to experiance high sec 4.10's (or 3.10) and understnad how they work. This will alow them to have the combat experiance and take them a step further into being able to handle low sec.


3.10's should also move upto the 4.10 band.. making scanning a lot less rng. (or.. move WH's to their own band AKA FIX FILTERS)


The low sec 4.10's stay as are, and it be nice to have the added option of running 3.10s that other players didn't wanne risk low sec for (ontop of the 4.10 ones).


IMO this is a veryy fair deal for everybody. If you don't want to take risks, you can still make some isk.. but take risks, you can double your take. IT also mean players like me get real reward for staying in low sec with a brick BC.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-04 11:15:39 UTC
Are you talking about escalations?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Makavelia
National Industries
#3 - 2013-03-04 11:19:17 UTC
dexington wrote:
Are you talking about escalations?


Clearly not.
Zoltan Lazar
#4 - 2013-03-05 06:21:08 UTC
Escalations are in wormholes, when you warp in capitals. Expeditions are when you complete an anomaly or an unrated DED site found via scanning and get a popup message.

OP is referencing rated DED sites, namely 3/10s and 4/10s. Note to OP: You should say #/10, not #.10.

Are you saying that highsec rated DED sites should just be like unrated sites, but with an expedition that activates 100% of the time?
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#5 - 2013-03-05 06:53:23 UTC
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Escalations are in wormholes, when you warp in capitals. Expeditions are when you complete an anomaly or an unrated DED site found via scanning and get a popup message.

OP is referencing rated DED sites, namely 3/10s and 4/10s. Note to OP: You should say #/10, not #.10.

Are you saying that highsec rated DED sites should just be like unrated sites, but with an expedition that activates 100% of the time?

Sounded to me like OP wants highseccers to start generating sites for lowseccers to enjoy.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-05 07:07:02 UTC
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Escalations are in wormholes, when you warp in capitals. Expeditions are when you complete an anomaly or an unrated DED site found via scanning and get a popup message.


Escalating encounters

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2013-03-05 07:23:35 UTC
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Are you saying that highsec rated DED sites should just be like unrated sites, but with an expedition that activates 100% of the time?


More like pseudo-DEDs (Serp and Angel 6/10 and all 9/10s). Guaranteed escalation (and there's really nothing wrong with that term here).

Shrug. It's an idea. I'd like to see more pseudo-DEDs out there anyhow, and if pseudo-DEDs were created for the 4/10 band I could possibly see limiting high sec 4/10s to the pseudo version.

Not sure it really solves any core problems though.
Makavelia
National Industries
#8 - 2013-03-05 11:15:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
To compare ships in low sec 4/10 exploration.

T3 vs high skilled BC



Dps: T3 wins



Not only does high dps help run sites faster, it helps if you do get into a fight.



Tank: T3 wins



The T1 has huge resistance holes opposit to the area they operate. You can't even defend vs a single player if they know ammo/dmg types.



Speed: T3 wins



With the added tank and gank they can jump your plex, race to the bs with no regard to agro, kill him.. and be gone by the time you get there.

Cloak mechanics: T3 wins



To T1 ships good gate camp with players between warp points (or jet cans) makes the cloak/mwd trick a lot more risky. Places with no stations or you don't have safe yet force you to warp to a place that they can see (or estimate). With a bc hull and re-cloak delay that's bad deal. The T3 can warp off the spot (avoiding a lot of the initial gate issues) and does not disclose the location it warped off into. The warp is also a lot faster, as you don't need to wait for the MWD cycle. When you are serounded by drones rushing around your location it's kinde nice to have fast warping.......



SO what does this mean?.

Well.. no single player in a T1 can contest a T3 ship in low sec. It is VERY difficult to catch a T3 ship anyway. However.. even though a T3 will have it so easy in low sec they don't even need to go there since they can make much more in high sec. Nobody t1 solo can contest (as in low sec) and any gang who could have killed him in low sec (creating downtime to avoid the fleet) can not, as it's high sec.

CCP got VERY sloppy on this.

This is why i think just ''removing'' 4.10 from high sec is a bad idea (as some suggested).. becuase in reality T3 will dominate low even more than high against T1 explorers should they be forced to go there. The point of this OP is that alowing ''some'' loot drops in high sec will mean a lot T3 players will remain in high sec to carebear, as they are not ''forced'' to go low sec. Optionaly they may jump T1 ships to run the low sec parts.. and that's GREAT. Since players like me can actualy have a chance to stand ground against them.

Did i mention how sloppy ccp got?.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-05 11:43:09 UTC
Makavelia wrote:
Well.. no single player in a T1 can contest a T3 ship in low sec.


You don't live in low-sec do you?, not a lot of people flying exploration fit T3's are going into a site with someone sitting there in a battlecruiser, most would not even do it if there is a cruiser inside.

While a T3 can kill a curiser, it's can't kill a bait tank fit cruiser before the support show up.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Makavelia
National Industries
#10 - 2013-03-05 12:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
dexington wrote:
Makavelia wrote:
Well.. no single player in a T1 can contest a T3 ship in low sec.


You don't live in low-sec do you?, not a lot of people flying exploration fit T3's are going into a site with someone sitting there in a battlecruiser, most would not even do it if there is a cruiser inside.

While a T3 can kill a curiser, it's can't kill a bait tank fit cruiser before the support show up.


I spend most of my time in low sec, i don't actualy ''live'' anywhere in eve.

Even after the armor buff how do you propose a bait fit bc/cruiser keeps a T3 pointed?. Forgive my ignorence if this is wrong but the T3 can cloak up during warp after activating the gate. The guy may be sitting at the warp in point (you'd hope o0) and/or droped can. But by the time you get d-cloaked/locked and web takes effect your overloaded mwd will have you well out of web range and you can engage for free till you decide to back out.

To put up a decent shield buffer as to maintain high speed i can't think of any T1 ships that could have a web+point+mwd/ab while maintaining enough buffer to hold out against a T3 till the fleet jump system, warp to gate.. then the activation warp. Please correct me if that's wrong, i'd like to bag me a few T3 kills some day.


You also assume the T3 is the one doing the warping in.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-05 12:22:37 UTC
Are you saying you normally jump the gate knowing someone is inside, because you can just overload the mwd and fly away?

Sounds like solid advice...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-05 12:51:53 UTC
So you are in problem cause T! hull cant do something as good as T3 hull?

T3 hull give you advantages but it is not I WIN button.I did exploration just fine in T1 hull same as in T3 ones.
You can ninja most of their loot in smaller ships anyway.

If you transfer DED 4/10 in low sec you will fix nothing.At first people will say cool that is how it should be,then all those players that cried how it was unfair going against T3s in those sites,will suddenly start to loose ships in low sec.After while same players will start to cry how DED sites should lock down when someone enter them.

Point is, player dont go low sec to explore ,mostly cause it takes ages to do one site,you need to warp out numerous time when someone enters local.That is simply torment not fun,and on end you get nothing cause dices didnt roll in your favor.
Makavelia
National Industries
#13 - 2013-03-05 13:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
dexington wrote:
Are you saying you normally jump the gate knowing someone is inside, because you can just overload the mwd and fly away?

Sounds like solid advice...


My understanding of that post: Deliberate misinterpretation to blow eve-pro trumpet.
Makavelia
National Industries
#14 - 2013-03-05 13:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
Ana Fox wrote:
So you are in problem cause T! hull cant do something as good as T3 hull?

T3 hull give you advantages but it is not I WIN button.I did exploration just fine in T1 hull same as in T3 ones.
You can ninja most of their loot in smaller ships anyway.

If you transfer DED 4/10 in low sec you will fix nothing.At first people will say cool that is how it should be,then all those players that cried how it was unfair going against T3s in those sites,will suddenly start to loose ships in low sec.After while same players will start to cry how DED sites should lock down when someone enter them.

Point is, player dont go low sec to explore ,mostly cause it takes ages to do one site,you need to warp out numerous time when someone enters local.That is simply torment not fun,and on end you get nothing cause dices didnt roll in your favor.



Below is what you actualy just posted.

Ana Fox wrote:
I want to remain in high sec and make billions risk free isk in my T3. I love the idea that no players can realy contest me becuase my T3 alows me to blitz the plex in most situations before anybody (even a late arriving rival T3) can get in on it. I can also fit a web/scram should i want to kill a pesky fast ship trying to steal my taged bs loot.. but that means i might have to fight. I also like the fact i can jump in on other T1 ships who's tanks may not alow them to blitz the plex.. that means they have to take more time to clear giving me more time to contest. I can steal their loot even if they get in their first since it's highly unlikely the T1 ship has the tackle to pin me.. and certainly does not have the dps/tank to solo me.

I will stay away from lowsec becuase this is the only place i have a real threat to my ship.. unconditional agresion from multiple vessels.



You are right though. Low sec downtime makes exploraiton nion equaly as bad as high sec over population. Differanc eis.. everybody can kill you in low sec. So explain why high sec should be worth so much?..
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-03-05 13:30:33 UTC
Makavelia wrote:
I want to remain in high sec and make billions risk free isk in my T3. I love the idea that no players can realy contest me becuase my T3 alows me to blitz the plex in most situations before anybody (even a late arriving rival T3) can get in on it. I can also fit a web/scram should i want to kill a pesky fast ship trying to steal my taged bs loot.. but that means i might have to fight. I also like the fact i can jump in on other T1 ships who's tanks may not alow them to blitz the plex.. that means they have to take more time to clear giving me more time to contest. I can steal their loot even if they get in their first since it's highly unlikely the T1 ship has the tackle to pin me.. and certainly does not have the dps/tank to solo me.

I will stay away from lowsec becuase this is the only place i have a real threat to my ship.. unconditional agresion from multiple vessels.


Below is what you actualy just posted.

I'm bad at eve so CCP needs to hold my hand and ban T3 from exploration.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-03-05 13:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ana Fox
dexington wrote:
Makavelia wrote:
I want to remain in high sec and make billions risk free isk in my T3. I love the idea that no players can realy contest me becuase my T3 alows me to blitz the plex in most situations before anybody (even a late arriving rival T3) can get in on it. I can also fit a web/scram should i want to kill a pesky fast ship trying to steal my taged bs loot.. but that means i might have to fight. I also like the fact i can jump in on other T1 ships who's tanks may not alow them to blitz the plex.. that means they have to take more time to clear giving me more time to contest. I can steal their loot even if they get in their first since it's highly unlikely the T1 ship has the tackle to pin me.. and certainly does not have the dps/tank to solo me.

I will stay away from lowsec becuase this is the only place i have a real threat to my ship.. unconditional agresion from multiple vessels.


Below is what you actualy just posted.

I'm bad at eve so CCP needs to hold my hand and ban T3 from exploration.


I have nothing to add ,poster above made my job easy.

T3s are not problems,cause if you ban T3s you will have just more Gila and Ishtar hulls.But you are cant see farther then T3s.Ishtar is in nothing less effective then any T3.So ban them too?

We all had issues with T3s ,but we found way before we got in hulls that are effective as theirs.Stop crying and do more effort and it will be ok.Blitzing DED 4 is same in any BC like in T3 so that make your statement even less logical.I know how to scan and what to do in low or high sec,but ships have nothing with that.There is hulls that are great counter to T3s in exploring.
Makavelia
National Industries
#17 - 2013-03-05 14:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
Ana Fox wrote:
dexington wrote:
Makavelia wrote:
I want to remain in high sec and make billions risk free isk in my T3. I love the idea that no players can realy contest me becuase my T3 alows me to blitz the plex in most situations before anybody (even a late arriving rival T3) can get in on it. I can also fit a web/scram should i want to kill a pesky fast ship trying to steal my taged bs loot.. but that means i might have to fight. I also like the fact i can jump in on other T1 ships who's tanks may not alow them to blitz the plex.. that means they have to take more time to clear giving me more time to contest. I can steal their loot even if they get in their first since it's highly unlikely the T1 ship has the tackle to pin me.. and certainly does not have the dps/tank to solo me.

I will stay away from lowsec becuase this is the only place i have a real threat to my ship.. unconditional agresion from multiple vessels.


Below is what you actualy just posted.

I'm bad at eve so CCP needs to hold my hand and ban T3 from exploration.


I have nothing to add ,poster above made my job easy.

T3s are not problems,cause if you ban T3s you will have just more Gila and Ishtar hulls.But you are cant see farther then T3s.Ishtar is in nothing less effective then any T3.So ban them too?

We all had issues with T3s ,but we found way before we got in hulls that are effective as theirs.Stop crying and do more effort and it will be ok.Blitzing DED 4 is same in any BC like in T3 so that make your statement even more stupid.



Not at any time did i suggest baning T3 from exploration.

Please do not derail the OP to tip toe around the fact 95% of T3 piloits are sht scared carebears who do not want to lose out on billions of risk free isk.

Beofre you splurt any bs about incursions, they have a very real threat of suicide ganks. They do not have risk free money for flying their compareble ''faction shinys''.

This concept of risk vs isk may not be everyones idea of fun, it's not always mine.. but that's what the game was founded on. It makes no sence what so ever that 1 ship type should roll in billions risk free.. when everything else has risk or a lower income.

T3 exploration needs a much greater limitation.. and risk of losing ship is the best way to go about it. It's a limitation through choice of the piolit and that is the best you can want.
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-03-05 14:17:28 UTC
Makavelia wrote:


Please do not derail the OP to tip toe around the fact 95% of T3 piloits are sht scared carebears who do not want to lose out on billions of risk free isk.

Damn this game is carebear online


I was thinking after your sht posting about Cane balance you cant write more stupid things.Well I was wrong.
Making any conversation with you is just waste of time.If you cant accept that people have different opinion than you and asap going to profanity when you dont have any more arguments ,then dont make this kind of post at all.

I would like to see where you got those 95% and on what you base your numbers.But looking at your last post you are just another troll with stealth "nerf high buff low or null " threads.Not that I have any problem with nerfing high sec but that is what GD is for.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-03-05 14:22:11 UTC
Makavelia wrote:
Please do not derail the OP to tip toe around the fact 95% of T3 piloits are sht scared carebears who do not want to lose out on billions of risk free isk.


You can make billions risk free running missions, you are just butthurting because someone else is making more isk then you.

HTFU, learn to play and stop the ******** whining about T3 pilots and carebears.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Makavelia
National Industries
#20 - 2013-03-05 14:31:06 UTC
Ana Fox wrote:
Makavelia wrote:


Please do not derail the OP to tip toe around the fact 95% of T3 piloits are sht scared carebears who do not want to lose out on billions of risk free isk.

Damn this game is carebear online


I was thinking after your sht posting about Cane balance you cant write more stupid things.Well I was wrong.
Making any conversation with you is just waste of time.If you cant accept that people have different opinion than you and asap going to profanity when you dont have any more arguments ,then dont make this kind of post at all.

I would like to see where you got those 95% and on what you base your numbers.But looking at your last post you are just another troll with stealth "nerf high buff low or null " threads.Not that I have any problem with nerfing high sec but that is what GD is for.


I've been to most low sec gal space, most matar space and a fair chunk of amar space. Iv'e also traveled a lot of high sec areas and high sec islands.

In high sec, every other system has a locki or tengu, sometimes multiple T3 with 24 sisters out. The high sec islands are also riddled with T3 along with T2. The low sec areas I have seen T3 from time to time (and some were actualy just pirates not doing exploration) but a vast majority of the low sec explorers i come across are t1 cruiser or a bc/T2 with scout/ops alt.

I draw my 95% from what i have seen, not some random bs.

I have plenty more argument.. but feel free to stop posting on acount of w/e excuse you find.
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