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To the Dev/Employee working the anti-bot campaign

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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#41 - 2013-03-03 17:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
There are plenty of people, some I know first hand, that regularly "AFK" mine. Or, they "tele-mine". Logging in from work with a program like LogMeIn or others on a rough schedule to dock up and unload and then head back out to the salt mines.

It's a huge gray area, and one I personally dislike. And I simply don't understand why certain people do it. For some of the offenders, this is pretty much all they do with their time in EVE. They are logged in all day while at work or doing family stuff AFK/tele-mining. And when they are actually sitting at the keyboard they log into other games to enjoy their digital life. Never actually playing the wonderful game of EVE. It is mind-boggling.

I have often wondered why the few pilots I know guilty of this do it. It makes no sense to me as a way to enjoy the game. The only real reason I can see is that it allows them to pay for their gametime without using RL money. And they get to acquire skills during that time in the hopes of one day undocking and manually playing and enjoying another aspect of the game. Not realizing their lack of actual experience behind the wheel will result in them being a poor player when it matters. Most likely resulting in negative feelings about the game.

And this is why I can't say I dislike organizations such as the NWO. They are impacting this trend to AFK/tele-mine in some cases.

No. I am not an official supporter or member of the NWO. And, in fact, I disagree with the extortion habits of the group. Allowing a person to AFK/tele-mine for a payout is not a noble act. If they make a statement about riding the world of these types of pilots, then no amount of bribe should prevent someone from turning into a wreck.

And that was a digression from my point.

CCP,

These AFK/tele-miners are changing the paradigm of the world of EVE. Is this something you are okay with? Blank automatons roid spinning and robbing the world of resources from players who actively mine? While some of the players are actively performing their mining tasks? Even the ones who are sitting at their desk watching a movie or alt-tabbed into Facebook are at least not tele-mining.

The people I know personally who do this have been in the game for almost 5 years. And yet they still ask the most basic of questions about game mechanics and know absolutely nothing about the Lore of the game. The latest gem was "who are the Jove?". And I made them look smarter. The actual question was just "Jove?". A one word question in regards to a conversation I was having with a real live, at the keyboard long-time fan of EVE. Which proves to me that this type of player has no actual passion for the game.

Thank you,

Sol Weinstein

Respect the EVE.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-03-03 22:38:11 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
And, in fact, I disagree with the extortion habits of the group.

They *have* to do this, because else it'd be harrassing.

James315 got that from a GM, so that's official.
Hannah Flex
#43 - 2013-03-03 23:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannah Flex
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#44 - 2013-03-03 23:19:20 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Do the same for mining in EVE, a mining lasor control window opens and the person has to occasionally re-align the laser every 10 seconds or so to keep the ore flowing. Each client is getting a different random generated 'sweet spot' every 10 seconds, so bots and multibox tools wouldn't work.



So, basically, in a civilization with near-perfect clone-based life-after-death technology, light speed, stargate travel, and the Vagabond, nobody can keep a mining laser aligned on a floating rock in space?

Huh. Can I go any lower than 0/10 in thread rating?


Well, after all a civilization with near-perfect clone-based life-after-death technology, light speed and stargate travel, can't automate your scan button on the D-scan, so... Roll

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Dr No Game
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-03-03 23:37:08 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Also, according to the last report I heard his fleet is protected by elements from TEST.


Confirming all TEST members are required to keep a jumpclone available at all times to rescue said miner if need be.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#46 - 2013-03-04 00:00:27 UTC
Runeme Shilter wrote:
I don't know if they are indeed bots or just multiboxers, but consider this:

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Replicator%20Deka01 (Replicator Deka01) through to Replicator Deka40 were active in decembre.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Replicator%20Exa01 (Replicator Exa01) through to Replicator Exa40 were active in january.
and now
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Replicator%20Femto01 (Replicator Femto01) through to Replicator Femto52 are active.

Why would anyone be using new characters all the time to fleetmine? Replicator Deka and Replicator Exa haven't logged in for weeks now, so I think it's fair to assume they have been banned and replaced by new accounts. I'm just wondering why it takes so long for CCP to act each time.



I would assume they are using some way to gain a dynamic IP, or otherwise spoofing IP's. CCP can't just run an algorithm looking for similar names and then ban them. They probably have to wait for someone to report them.
And seriously, CCP can't afford to go overboard on bot banning, it could significantly affect revenue. Lol




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Boobiq
Imperial Express
#47 - 2013-03-04 08:45:25 UTC
Those replicators are in Misneden system along with alphaclones, there are ~ 90 of them combined with autotargeting ospreys to rep them if they get ganked. All bots are placed in different spots, so smartbombing them does not help. They warp in sync and do everything in sync. Bot or not this is one person/AI controlling them all. Probably wearing the ring of power to do so.

If anyone wants to gank or help gank those let me know. Miners are paying to get rid of them.
Boobiq
Imperial Express
#48 - 2013-03-04 08:49:17 UTC
Boobiq wrote:
Those replicators are in Misneden system along with alphaclones, there are ~ 90 of them combined with autotargeting ospreys to rep them if they get ganked. All bots are placed in different spots, so smartbombing them does not help. They warp in sync and do everything in sync. Bot or not this is one person/AI controlling them all. Probably wearing the ring of power to do so.

If anyone wants to gank or help gank those let me know. Miners are paying to get rid of them.


Solution respawn ice belt roids each time, so that they cannot bookmark. Or make ice roids deplete.
Runeme Shilter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-03-04 13:45:49 UTC
Dr No Game wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
Also, according to the last report I heard his fleet is protected by elements from TEST.


Confirming all TEST members are required to keep a jumpclone available at all times to rescue said miner if need be.


In fact, it's only 1 person from TEST, https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Glanter. He and his alts,
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Disco%20Novae and https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Clanter, sit in belt with a griffin/falcon/blackbird/osprey and will try to prevent ganks on the Replicators. He doesn't care if other miners get blown up though.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16143836
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16199404
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16233760
etc. See http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=1034514&m=2&y=2013
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#50 - 2013-03-05 06:43:35 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
And, in fact, I disagree with the extortion habits of the group.

They *have* to do this, because else it'd be harrassing.

James315 got that from a GM, so that's official.


I am not buying it. The Court will have to see the transcripts of this to believe it. And, even if these so-called transcripts appear and are legitimate, it doesn't change the point of it being extortion.

Not sure how it ISN'T harassing in the current form. What I mean is, they ARE in fact harassing people. Just in a gray area.

Thank you.


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