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cotton feel
kenkyu unso monodukuri anahori
#1 - 2011-10-27 18:49:08 UTC  |  Edited by: cotton feel
Hello, everyone

Thank you for using time for me

First of all, please see the mail delivered to the player of a part of living in Japan.



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Dear [accountname],

On July 7, 2011, CCP Games and Nexon Co. Ltd. announced the signing of a co-publishing agreement that aims to bring a localized and fully supported version of EVE Online to Japan. The partnership entails that CCP will continue to develop and host the game, as well as handle all gameplay related customer support. Nexon, meanwhile, will handle billing, billing support and local marketing/PR. We have noticed that our Japanese players are very curious about the plans ahead and we will try to answer some of the most frequently asked questions here below.

Payments, account and ID
In order to fully utilize the strengths and expertise of the two companies – and thereby offer the best possible service to Japanese users – Nexon will handle all EVE-related payments for Japanese users starting from April 1, 2012. We have adapted an approach that ensures minimal inconvenience for our existing players. We hereby confirm that players will keep both existing EVE accounts and characters, and that there will be no change regarding the existing EVE ID system or how it is used to access the game client and EVE-related login sites (such as EVE Gate and Account Management). Please note, however, that all players will need to establish an additional Nexon ID which will be used exclusively for billing and billing support. In short, the only change to existing account and login procedure is that after April 1, 2012 an additional login step will be added for players to access Nexon’s convenient and secure payment system. The change above will apply to all players residing in Japan regardless of nationality.

Nexon offers all major payment methods. Please click the following for more information: https://point.nexon.co.jp/main/guide/guide/what.asp

Language options and server
We want to use this opportunity to confirm that all Japan-based users will continue to have the option of playing in English, Japanese or any other languages officially supported by CCP. Although it is a common matter of speech to refer to a “Japanese client” to be launched in Japan, we want to emphasize that Japanese players will continue to play on Tranquility with the rest of EVE’s international community, and that Japanese will be added as a language option to the existing EVE client, which already supports English, Russian and German. All Japan-based players will retain these language options after the launch of Japanese.

Localization status and plans ahead
In this context, we are happy to announce that EVE players will have an opportunity to preview the new Japanese version of EVE before the end of the year. Testing and improving the Japanese version of EVE on the new localization platform, Cerberus, is a top priority for CCP right now and we look forward to reporting to you in more detail about our progress and plans ahead. Our partnership with Nexon also allows us to offer various EVE-related information, support and activities in Japanese which we are convinced will be of great interest to existing players. More information will follow in the coming weeks and months regarding the official launch plans, along with special discounts that will be offered to existing players to celebrate this long-awaited milestone.

Thank you as always for your interest and participation in the ever-evolving world of EVE Online.

Fly safely!
CCP Games, Japan Team

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This is the contents of the mail.

NEXON is a company which has established reputation in account hacking in Japan.

In a Japanese player, many persons of an idea negative to the fee collection in NEXON exist.
Probably, many those who resign EVE also exist.

A Japanese community will receive a serious damage.

NEXON is recording the member of the 26 million membership and NEXON POINT which the member has will have big influence on the economy of EVE.

Moreover, NEXON is also an authority of item fee collection.

The living player in Japan is forced into a new fee collection receptionist.

However, I surmise that it is all the players that are affected.

That is, it is that the fund of other games flows into the market of EVE via NEXON.

This will give a serious damage to EVE economy.

Please consider this NEXON POINT once.

Please tell me your opinion.

P.S　It is writing by machine translation.
Solo Player
#2 - 2011-10-27 19:53:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Solo Player
Sure sounds bad. Does this apply to all players loggin in from an ip range registered to Japan? Or those whose credit cards show they are living in Japan? If it is the latter, couldn't you circumvent this by using a payment method that obscures your country of residence? LIke plex bought for you by someone else?

cotton feel wrote:

P.S　It is writing by machine translation.


How will you understand our replies to your post? Machine translation will likely scramble our meaning thoroughly.
Adunh Slavy
#3 - 2011-10-27 19:55:48 UTC
Customers in Japan should have the option to use Nexon or not if they so choose.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Temba Ronin
#4 - 2011-10-27 20:31:37 UTC
If most of his post is true it presents a tough situation for EVE players in Japan. I hope someone from CCP can vouch for the credibility of their new business partner. A company with a hacking reputation would certainly make me feel uncomfortable as a subscriber. Best of luck to all EVE players in Japan.

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
cotton feel
kenkyu unso monodukuri anahori
#5 - 2011-10-27 20:34:52 UTC

Thank you for the opinion.


Quote:
Sure sounds bad. Does this apply to all players loggin in from an ip range registered to Japan? Or those whose credit cards show they are living in Japan?




Information is not released about the technology for specifying the player of living in Japan.


Quote:
Customers in Japan should have the option to use Nexon or not if they so choose.


He understands that it is better for there to be selection of the fee collection methods other than NEXON.

cotton feel
kenkyu unso monodukuri anahori
#6 - 2011-10-27 20:43:42 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
If most of his post is true it presents a tough situation for EVE players in Japan. I hope someone from CCP can vouch for the credibility of their new business partner. A company with a hacking reputation would certainly make me feel uncomfortable as a subscriber. Best of luck to all EVE players in Japan.



The uneasiness of a Japanese player is big and much comment which expresses displeasure with a community can hear it.
This opinion has appeared in the player which experienced many online games.

Since there is little safe material, such as improvement in information control and improvement in security, uneasiness only becomes large.
Ogopogo Mu
O C C U P Y
#7 - 2011-10-27 20:52:49 UTC
cotton feel wrote:
NEXON is a company which has established reputation in account hacking in Japan.
...
Moreover, NEXON is also an authority of item fee collection.


Domo.

I was going to ask about citing NEXON hacking references, but a google search immediately brought up a YouTube video on hacking NEXON accounts, many reports of NEXON vulnerabilities in other games, etc. I would never use them.

Can Japanese players buy GTC's from CCP or an authorized reseller and not use NEXON as a workaround?
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-27 21:10:14 UTC
I, for one, am curious as to how NEXON might be related to SOE, considering the apparent exclusivity arrangements both have fashioned with CCP.. or if that's just how CCP has been doing business lately.
Solo Player
#9 - 2011-10-27 21:25:58 UTC
Cotton,

there is a thread on this with further information and a short statement by CCP over in General Discussion. Apparently, monthly rates will be significantly below 3,000 yen and you will still be able to work around Nexon by paying by Plex.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-27 21:36:13 UTC
This honestly should be asked of NEXON...not CCP.

This isn't all that different as opposed to using PAYPAL or "Green Dot" Visa CC (monthly fee) and all that.

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cotton feel
kenkyu unso monodukuri anahori
#11 - 2011-10-27 21:50:06 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
Cotton,

there is a thread on this with further information and a short statement by CCP over in General Discussion. Apparently, monthly rates will be significantly below 3,000 yen and you will still be able to work around Nexon by paying by Plex.



Solo Player

Thank you

The argument had already started.

I would like to ask NEXON and CCP and to collect information.

Quote:
This isn't all that different as opposed to using PAYPAL or "Green Dot" Visa CC (monthly fee) and all that.


I think that it is unfair as selection of fee collection that it becomes impossible to use a credit card and PAYPAL.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-27 22:15:25 UTC
cotton feel wrote:
I think that it is unfair as selection of fee collection that it becomes impossible to use a credit card and PAYPAL.



Again...this is a NEXON issue...CCP will NOT have an answer to this.

Also keep in mind this is also international in terms of currency handlnig...

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Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2011-10-28 03:28:50 UTC
give your money to the shogun, don't ask questions.
cotton feel
kenkyu unso monodukuri anahori
#14 - 2011-10-28 10:23:50 UTC
Since another argument is progressing by the same contents, it links there.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26682

I feel sorry in poor English.


Tenkene
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-28 10:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenkene
Hello,

I would like to support the case. Extra fees to nexon are not just annoying, its ripoff of Japanese Community. Nexon does nothing to contribute to the game, will not host it or anything but still demand extra fees? For what? Translation and site?


Dear CCP, please withdraw or rethink your alliance with Nexon. If you wanted Japanese translation i am 200% sure u could get one for free from community. Putting Nexons "history" aside, I as an international player don't want a another company to mess up with my game.
I am not Japanese but ill fight for them because stupid policy like that can anytime land on my own "region" so I and i think all of us have to fight before its too late.

CCP and Stellar council > vote for Japan, keep prices and support equal regarding of location and keep entire community together!
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
#16 - 2011-10-28 10:44:27 UTC
there should be alternatives for playing from anywhere. being forced to deal with third party is bad form.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-28 14:15:43 UTC
This entire proposal is complete and utter ignorance.

Your throwing a damn fit over an another company who issues said fees and not CCP.

for all you know CCP had no choice in the matter simply bsaed on Japanese Law.

But keep wailing away at your wailing thread.... you won't get anywhere...you'll be screaming regardless of the outcome.

Again...take it to Nexon...don't waste your time with CCP.

I would have thought it would be obvious that if it was simple enough to make it available to any payment option EVE Online would already be there.

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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#18 - 2011-10-28 14:43:44 UTC
By all means, let NEXON be an alternative way of keeping ones subscription active .. but it should in no way be the only option.

We Euros/Yanks/Aussies/Etc. would be royally pissed if CCP suddenly partnered with Steam, EA's Origin crap or some other known-to-be-greedy company that just happened to have advertising muscle and decreed that all payments MUST go through them .. just so that CCP could get marketing campaign at a discount.
cotton feel
kenkyu unso monodukuri anahori
#19 - 2011-10-28 18:36:03 UTC
In the world of EVE, it is very irrational that only the player of living in Japan must charge NEXON.
I think that the choice of fee collection should not be unified for those who are enjoying かわらす EVE by the skill system to EVE at some of play time.
To be sure, the community of Japan desires an increase in new players.
NEXON POINT is not necessarily wanted.
In order that the member of NEXON may sign EVE, a using-NEXON POINT question is not felt.
I oppose to the fee collection method of making the existing player forcing into NEXON POINT, strongly.
NEXON does not involve to the fee collection in PLEX.
I am not necessarily doing EVE, in order to obtain PLEX.
If it continues charging by PLEX, I must be devoted only to the work which pushes down NPC as a missions runner.
Probably, only those who need NEXON should charge NEXON.
I do not need NEXON at all.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-10-28 18:51:43 UTC
cotton feel wrote:
In the world of EVE, it is very irrational that only the player of living in Japan must charge NEXON.
I think that the choice of fee collection should not be unified for those who are enjoying かわらす EVE by the skill system to EVE at some of play time.
To be sure, the community of Japan desires an increase in new players.
NEXON POINT is not necessarily wanted.
In order that the member of NEXON may sign EVE, a using-NEXON POINT question is not felt.
I oppose to the fee collection method of making the existing player forcing into NEXON POINT, strongly.
NEXON does not involve to the fee collection in PLEX.
I am not necessarily doing EVE, in order to obtain PLEX.
If it continues charging by PLEX, I must be devoted only to the work which pushes down NPC as a missions runner.
Probably, only those who need NEXON should charge NEXON.
I do not need NEXON at all.


Point taken.

But no one said you had to use it.

This is no different then me choosing not to use PAYPAL when they charge an arm and a leg for overdraft fees...or a bank...or any other bloody CC.

Shall we scream at CCP For bank fee's?

Yes...we shouldn't force anyone to pay by 1 way...but that's due to the available options when it coms to transactions...not because "CCP is being a Jerk".

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