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Banning of tech 2 items in high sec

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Akuyaku
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-03-04 16:10:36 UTC
Look OP, we all know you are upset about the recent loss of your shitfit negatrhon but the fact is banning t2 items will do nothing to help you. The simple fact that you were in a pve ship and he was in a pvp ship would have sufficed. Hell with no tracking mods and no webs/ anything to reduce transversal with you could have been solo'ed by an iteron.


EVE is hard adapt or HTFU.
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#42 - 2013-03-04 16:40:43 UTC
Akuyaku wrote:
Look OP, we all know you are upset about the recent loss of your shitfit negatrhon but the fact is banning t2 items will do nothing to help you. The simple fact that you were in a pve ship and he was in a pvp ship would have sufficed. Hell with no tracking mods and no webs/ anything to reduce transversal with you could have been solo'ed by an iteron.

EVE is hard adapt or HTFU.

I wouldn't have said it was shyt-fit. Its an adequate fit for some missions.

But anyone taking on a PvP fit with a PvE fit when they can't alpha it is a moron. Too many people do forget that this is fundamentally a PvP game.

Friends
Akuyaku
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-03-04 16:55:06 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:


I wouldn't have said it was shyt-fit. Its an adequate fit for some missions.

But anyone taking on a PvP fit with a PvE fit when they can't alpha it is a moron. Too many people do forget that this is fundamentally a PvP game.

It's a shitfit, only 1 damage mod, 6 cap mods, and a DCU amongst other things make it bad.
Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-03-04 17:12:11 UTC
Let's just say that it is too late to perform any banning of T2 ships or items.

Secondly, the stealing part is the unfortunate feature of the game, especially in highsec. This is why highsec isn't that great either. Come to 0.0. I know it sucks as a suggestion.

Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.

Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#45 - 2013-03-04 17:13:01 UTC
Akuyaku wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:


I wouldn't have said it was shyt-fit. Its an adequate fit for some missions.

But anyone taking on a PvP fit with a PvE fit when they can't alpha it is a moron. Too many people do forget that this is fundamentally a PvP game.

It's a shitfit, only 1 damage mod, 6 cap mods, and a DCU amongst other things make it bad.

Don't forget the RAH

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
The Reaper J
Kings.Guard.
#46 - 2013-03-04 17:25:25 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
meh, I faction/deadspace fit my ships anyway... they just need to fix faction guns (the only things where T2> faction/deadspace), then.... sure, make it even harder for a mission runner to buy the gear needed to compete.

I use T2 stuff to run mission,s why don't you?

The issue is not T2, the issue is that you are fit for PvE, and the guy can pretty much guess your fit, ie you are tanked against damage type X and Y, and are dealing damage type X and Y.

He can fit specifically to beat you, then steal something, and if you are dumb enough to engage in your generic PvE fit, his specific PvP fit will kill you - T2 or not.

What you might want, is some friends in PvP fit frigates, waiting to warp to you as soon as a thief gets a suspect flag.

Of course, if they get him pointed and webbed, feel free to align to a safe spot, and then fire some salvos at him.
If you have a MJD equipped, maybe jump, align, try to alpha him, and warp off, warp between safes until your timer expires and you can dock, then wait out the suspect timer.


U use t2 stuff to do combat. Have you thought that its possible that i am not at that level to be able to use tech 2 yet. Not everyone is where you are. You all started from the bottom like me and everyone else. But many of you carry of as if you instantly popped up at all lvl5 training. You all seem to have forgotten, where you all started from.
The Reaper J
Kings.Guard.
#47 - 2013-03-04 17:32:20 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
Akuyaku wrote:
Look OP, we all know you are upset about the recent loss of your shitfit negatrhon but the fact is banning t2 items will do nothing to help you. The simple fact that you were in a pve ship and he was in a pvp ship would have sufficed. Hell with no tracking mods and no webs/ anything to reduce transversal with you could have been solo'ed by an iteron.

EVE is hard adapt or HTFU.

I wouldn't have said it was shyt-fit. Its an adequate fit for some missions.

But anyone taking on a PvP fit with a PvE fit when they can't alpha it is a moron. Too many people do forget that this is fundamentally a PvP game.


And a lot of you forget where you all started from. We ALL had to start from the bottom up. None of you spawned into a all you skills pretrained at level 5 to use high end equipment. I am a young toon, and struggling to make isk, seeing that ccp supports more crime than anything else. If we try to mine to make isk, our barges get ganked, and thats legal, we mission to make is, and our salvage and loot get taken, and we get ganked, we do indy, and our indy ships get ganked. How the hell do you make isk when every damn industry we try to make isk in has criminals harassing us?

You tell me how?
Akuyaku
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-03-04 17:33:08 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:
meh, I faction/deadspace fit my ships anyway... they just need to fix faction guns (the only things where T2> faction/deadspace), then.... sure, make it even harder for a mission runner to buy the gear needed to compete.

I use T2 stuff to run mission,s why don't you?

The issue is not T2, the issue is that you are fit for PvE, and the guy can pretty much guess your fit, ie you are tanked against damage type X and Y, and are dealing damage type X and Y.

He can fit specifically to beat you, then steal something, and if you are dumb enough to engage in your generic PvE fit, his specific PvP fit will kill you - T2 or not.

What you might want, is some friends in PvP fit frigates, waiting to warp to you as soon as a thief gets a suspect flag.

Of course, if they get him pointed and webbed, feel free to align to a safe spot, and then fire some salvos at him.
If you have a MJD equipped, maybe jump, align, try to alpha him, and warp off, warp between safes until your timer expires and you can dock, then wait out the suspect timer.


U use t2 stuff to do combat. Have you thought that its possible that i am not at that level to be able to use tech 2 yet. Not everyone is where you are. You all started from the bottom like me and everyone else. But many of you carry of as if you instantly popped up at all lvl5 training. You all seem to have forgotten, where you all started from.
So if I kill you with officer guns it's fair? Those don't require any lvl 5 skills.
The Reaper J
Kings.Guard.
#49 - 2013-03-04 17:35:12 UTC
Akuyaku wrote:
The Reaper J wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:
meh, I faction/deadspace fit my ships anyway... they just need to fix faction guns (the only things where T2> faction/deadspace), then.... sure, make it even harder for a mission runner to buy the gear needed to compete.

I use T2 stuff to run mission,s why don't you?

The issue is not T2, the issue is that you are fit for PvE, and the guy can pretty much guess your fit, ie you are tanked against damage type X and Y, and are dealing damage type X and Y.

He can fit specifically to beat you, then steal something, and if you are dumb enough to engage in your generic PvE fit, his specific PvP fit will kill you - T2 or not.

What you might want, is some friends in PvP fit frigates, waiting to warp to you as soon as a thief gets a suspect flag.

Of course, if they get him pointed and webbed, feel free to align to a safe spot, and then fire some salvos at him.
If you have a MJD equipped, maybe jump, align, try to alpha him, and warp off, warp between safes until your timer expires and you can dock, then wait out the suspect timer.


U use t2 stuff to do combat. Have you thought that its possible that i am not at that level to be able to use tech 2 yet. Not everyone is where you are. You all started from the bottom like me and everyone else. But many of you carry of as if you instantly popped up at all lvl5 training. You all seem to have forgotten, where you all started from.
So if I kill you with officer guns it's fair? Those don't require any lvl 5 skills.


I am not going to use officer stuff, i am not stupid. Those things are way too expensive, and on top of it, the fit that was on there, was to also help cap stability due to training not being sufficient. As i said, you all started from the bottom, I have to start somewhere.
Akuyaku
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-03-04 17:35:28 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
Akuyaku wrote:
Look OP, we all know you are upset about the recent loss of your shitfit negatrhon but the fact is banning t2 items will do nothing to help you. The simple fact that you were in a pve ship and he was in a pvp ship would have sufficed. Hell with no tracking mods and no webs/ anything to reduce transversal with you could have been solo'ed by an iteron.

EVE is hard adapt or HTFU.

I wouldn't have said it was shyt-fit. Its an adequate fit for some missions.

But anyone taking on a PvP fit with a PvE fit when they can't alpha it is a moron. Too many people do forget that this is fundamentally a PvP game.


And a lot of you forget where you all started from. We ALL had to start from the bottom up. None of you spawned into a all you skills pretrained at level 5 to use high end equipment. I am a young toon, and struggling to make isk, seeing that ccp supports more crime than anything else. If we try to mine to make isk, our barges get ganked, and thats legal, we mission to make is, and our salvage and loot get taken, and we get ganked, we do indy, and our indy ships get ganked. How the hell do you make isk when every damn industry we try to make isk in has criminals harassing us?

You tell me how?

You were flying a (partialy) faction fit navy megathron, you appear to be doing fine. Also don't shot the guys stealing your loot. It's pretty much worthless anywway and if you ignore them they will go away.
The Reaper J
Kings.Guard.
#51 - 2013-03-04 17:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: The Reaper J
Akuyaku wrote:
The Reaper J wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
Akuyaku wrote:
Look OP, we all know you are upset about the recent loss of your shitfit negatrhon but the fact is banning t2 items will do nothing to help you. The simple fact that you were in a pve ship and he was in a pvp ship would have sufficed. Hell with no tracking mods and no webs/ anything to reduce transversal with you could have been solo'ed by an iteron.

EVE is hard adapt or HTFU.

I wouldn't have said it was shyt-fit. Its an adequate fit for some missions.

But anyone taking on a PvP fit with a PvE fit when they can't alpha it is a moron. Too many people do forget that this is fundamentally a PvP game.


And a lot of you forget where you all started from. We ALL had to start from the bottom up. None of you spawned into a all you skills pretrained at level 5 to use high end equipment. I am a young toon, and struggling to make isk, seeing that ccp supports more crime than anything else. If we try to mine to make isk, our barges get ganked, and thats legal, we mission to make is, and our salvage and loot get taken, and we get ganked, we do indy, and our indy ships get ganked. How the hell do you make isk when every damn industry we try to make isk in has criminals harassing us?

You tell me how?

You were flying a (partialy) faction fit navy megathron, you appear to be doing fine. Also don't shot the guys stealing your loot. It's pretty much worthless anywway and if you ignore them they will go away.


The level 4 missions give a lot of tags and loots at good values. I did two missions that gave me a total isk value of 140mil isk. That's why i grind level 4 missions. That's a way for me to get isk to buy ships, and weaponry, ammo, and of course books so that i can train up my toon.
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#52 - 2013-03-04 17:54:20 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:
Akuyaku wrote:
The Reaper J wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
Akuyaku wrote:
Look OP, we all know you are upset about the recent loss of your shitfit negatrhon but the fact is banning t2 items will do nothing to help you. The simple fact that you were in a pve ship and he was in a pvp ship would have sufficed. Hell with no tracking mods and no webs/ anything to reduce transversal with you could have been solo'ed by an iteron.

EVE is hard adapt or HTFU.

I wouldn't have said it was shyt-fit. Its an adequate fit for some missions.

But anyone taking on a PvP fit with a PvE fit when they can't alpha it is a moron. Too many people do forget that this is fundamentally a PvP game.


And a lot of you forget where you all started from. We ALL had to start from the bottom up. None of you spawned into a all you skills pretrained at level 5 to use high end equipment. I am a young toon, and struggling to make isk, seeing that ccp supports more crime than anything else. If we try to mine to make isk, our barges get ganked, and thats legal, we mission to make is, and our salvage and loot get taken, and we get ganked, we do indy, and our indy ships get ganked. How the hell do you make isk when every damn industry we try to make isk in has criminals harassing us?

You tell me how?

You were flying a (partialy) faction fit navy megathron, you appear to be doing fine. Also don't shot the guys stealing your loot. It's pretty much worthless anywway and if you ignore them they will go away.


The level 4 missions give a lot of tags and loots at good values. I did two missions that gave me a total isk value of 140mil isk. That's why i grind level 4 missions. That's a way for me to get isk to buy ships, and weaponry, ammo, and of course books so that i can train up my toon.


You still shot first, you agressed and it lead to the death of your fail fit

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#53 - 2013-03-04 17:57:07 UTC

There are many ways to make isk in this game....

You can mine for isk, tank your barge... and make a welfare living...
You can Mission run, blitz missions and make isk via LP, bounties, and rewards...
You can Mission run, salvage & loot everything, and make your isk primarily via that..

T2 items just make your ship more effective (generally, quite often meta 4 is better than t2). Removing them from highsec is silly, and won't solve any of your problems...

Your problem is you don't understand the limitations other players impose on your play style.... Highsec does not mean risk-free... and you need to always accept that other players will make a profit at your expense anytime you give them the opportunity...

Don't give them easy targets, and you won't be such a victim.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-03-04 17:59:09 UTC
That's not why they are rebalancing ships. Reread dev blogs and look at the real reasons rather than make up your own.
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#55 - 2013-03-04 20:50:10 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

There are many ways to make isk in this game....

You can mine for isk, tank your barge... and make a welfare living...
You can Mission run, blitz missions and make isk via LP, bounties, and rewards...
You can Mission run, salvage & loot everything, and make your isk primarily via that..

T2 items just make your ship more effective (generally, quite often meta 4 is better than t2). Removing them from highsec is silly, and won't solve any of your problems...

Your problem is you don't understand the limitations other players impose on your play style.... Highsec does not mean risk-free... and you need to always accept that other players will make a profit at your expense anytime you give them the opportunity...

Don't give them easy targets, and you won't be such a victim.



THIS
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#56 - 2013-03-04 20:56:56 UTC
The Reaper J wrote:


And a lot of you forget where you all started from. We ALL had to start from the bottom up. None of you spawned into a all you skills pretrained at level 5 to use high end equipment. I am a young toon, and struggling to make isk, seeing that ccp supports more crime than anything else. If we try to mine to make isk, our barges get ganked, and thats legal, we mission to make is, and our salvage and loot get taken, and we get ganked, we do indy, and our indy ships get ganked. How the hell do you make isk when every damn industry we try to make isk in has criminals harassing us?

You tell me how?



The next time some guys gank you- don't cry about it in local... undock in a pvp fit ship and try to fight them. They will more than likely kill you again, but they just might respect you enough to accept you into their corp and train you and help you along the way to a more enjoyable time in game......


...unless they have read this thread then they will know you are a whining crybaby and they'll just laugh at you as they pod you back to newb-town.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#57 - 2013-03-04 22:53:42 UTC
Hi,

Trolling, Ranting and posting in a manner that encourages such behaviour is against the forum rules.

As the OP breaches these rules and this thread has reverted to base trolling and name calling, I am locking it now.

Thanks.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
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