Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A capacitor use bonus should not count as a "bonus" when minmatar ships get that for free. I am not sure why CCP has to make it so that a ship can only have two bonuses, it seems rather silly. Maybe something simple like a tracking bonus or maybe even a really weird bonus like to a type of ewar?


The drake gets a bonus to resistances and a dps bonus, but do its guns use less cap than a harbinger? Yea, good bonus. It's not like lasers give a really big advantage to counter using all that cap.

Why is it an arbitrary rule that a t1 ship can only have two bonuses? Especially when not all bonuses are created equal.

Lasers natural range doesn't really help much if ever. Every role that you can put a harbinger in other ships do better. The harbinger can't do anything but tank and shoot meh dps guns at 20km while it's max speed is meh.

I don't think removing the cap bonus is a good idea because that will mean the ultimate counter to a harbinger is a medium neut or two. Without the cap reduction bonus the harbingers guns would use more cap than a 10mn micro warp drive. I do not think lasers should have their cap use reduced either because it makes them interesting.




Imagine for a second if the brutix had it's bonuses replaced with the harbingers and its fitting changed to accommodate lasers and got to keep its repair bonus. Would the brutix be OP? No. This is because it would be nearly the same ship, but with less dps, being less cap stable, and having longer range.

Edit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=223607 Amarr battleships are loosing their cap bonus. Huh.

Blaster boats still use less cap than a harbinger per gun.
So a Brutix gets a bonus to dps and tank while still using less cap, and a thorax gets a bonus to dps and tracking while still using less cap.

Lasers just use a **** load more cap with little benefit.


Also WHY QUOTE ME WHEN THEIR IS ONLY ONE POST IN THE THREAD HERPADERP

Lasers pwn hybrids? Lolwut.
Whats your harbinger going to do? Perma run his mwd all day kiting a brutix? If only he had the cap.

Thats more homogenizing the weapons which I think is bad, they should all have a glaring disadvantage but have a massive advantage. Blasters do lolwtf dps with awesome tracking but **** range, projectiles can select damage types, fit easy, and use 0 cap with slightly better dps than missiles, lasers eat cap and have better damage projection.

Yet on the harbinger it is not really good enough to snipe and it doesnt have any advantages in a brawl.

Meh, they should just cut Laser Cap use by 50% across the board and replace the 10% cap use with a real bonus. The Lasers would still use more cap than Hybrids.

Thats rather paranoid assuming that is my alt. Please stop saying stupid ****.

Rails have omgwtfbbq range which used to be much more useful before CCP nerfed lock range. Rails suck different thread.

Hybrids don't need a 3rd bonus, and neither do most laser boats like the maller which is pretty good. As a brawler the harb can't eat capacitor like Rosie O'Donell drinks mayonaise while still staying viable and doesn't have an advantage sniping.

Blasters also use less cap and do more dps, lots more.

The point is that a bonus to cap is not a bonus at all if your main weapon sucks that cap dry. Another poster suggested cutting laser cap requirements by 50% I think that's a good place to start. Still don't take my word for it, why don't you ask your main what he thinks and let us all know.

Yea your right 115km range with medium guns loaded with t2 ammo and 0 modules is utter ****.
I guess large rails having range longer than grid size is nothing special either right?

Damn those rails. Now those are clearly OP, aren't they? Why don't you use them?

Question? are you actually trying to make a point? Also your comparing short range weapons to long range weapons to make yourself look stupider.

Harbinger fitted with pulses sucks compared to the other brawlers, and it can't snipe.

Railguns are a flawed weapon system that still do see tons of use. Naga and Rohk fleets errywhere. Also only tards fit rails on a brutix.

How many harbingers do you see fly around? Definetly not as any of the other tier 2 battlecruisers, even after the nerf they all have clear advantages over the harbinger.