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Arec Bardwin
#61 - 2013-03-01 21:26:46 UTC
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
1 noctis plus 1 noctis equals...
Babby Noctis?
Josef Djugashvilis
#62 - 2013-03-01 22:41:51 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
What is the plural of noctis? Noctises? Noctii?


Noctis could be a completely fictional name, that is made up by a developer who knows nothing about latin, much less about its third declination. In that case a general plural would be "noctises".

If who invented them wanted to use latin as radix, then Noctis is not a noun, it's a genitive of the name "nox" (night) and means "of the night".

A plural of the noun "nox" is "noctes".

I don't agree (yeah a surprise) with Tippia suggesting "noctium" because latins would not just transpose a genitive into its plural, they'd use the proper noun made into plural. If we really want to "force-noun-plural" a genitive then we may as well consider it a developer fantasy made name and call them Noctises.


Edit: that's the problem with Wikipedia and dictionaries, they are tools to be used with background information on the topics they cover yet most just copy and paste.


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Sabin Infernorum
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-03-01 23:04:47 UTC
A genitive by itself in latin often means man, woman, or thing of the x, where x is the genitive. If we assume it means "Thing of the night" (It's more elegant in latin), then the plural would still be Noctis, only the context would change. Even if we say it means "Man/Woman of the night", the plural would still be Noctis.

Ergo, the plural of Noctis is Noctis.
Shalia Ripper
#64 - 2013-03-01 23:15:24 UTC
I just have to wonder what was int he CCP dev's minds when they decided on "Primae" and "Noctis" as the names. Google "Jus Primae Noctis" if you are not familiar with the phrase already.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#65 - 2013-03-01 23:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Sabin Infernorum wrote:
A genitive by itself in latin often means man, woman, or thing of the x, where x is the genitive. If we assume it means "Thing of the night" (It's more elegant in latin), then the plural would still be Noctis, only the context would change. Even if we say it means "Man/Woman of the night", the plural would still be Noctis.

Ergo, the plural of Noctis is Noctis.
…which leads back to the question of what is it you want to pluralise? Do you want the plural to be “[something of-the-night]s” or do want it to be “[something]s of the night”… or “something of-the-[night]s”?

If we just take the word and then pick its plural form, we arrive at noctium.
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-03-01 23:51:24 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
You add an "es" for each additional Noctis on grid. So...

1 = Noctis
2 = Noctises
4 = Noctiseseses
8 = Why the hell are there 8 of these things here?

Could add more than 8 = someone's going to end up on a comedy fleets killboard. Lol
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#67 - 2013-03-02 04:23:16 UTC
Pretty sure 8 Noctis is a Noctopi.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#68 - 2013-03-02 04:41:08 UTC
Naes Mlahrend wrote:
8 noctis = noctipus


I literally loled. In a quiet house at 5 am in the morning

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Josef Djugashvilis
#69 - 2013-03-02 08:10:24 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kane Alvo wrote:
I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2013-03-02 09:14:22 UTC
Single: Noctis
Plural: More than one Noctis

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Jules Wynnfield
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-03-02 10:59:22 UTC
I don't know if this will help,

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nox

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Seven Noctis
#72 - 2013-03-02 16:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Noctis
For the record, I decided on this name before I knew there was a ship in the game called "Noctis" and being fully aware of what the word means.

Tippia gave the simplest and most grammatically correct answer to the original question.

The problem is that it is used as a proper name in EVE. Although, like Vaerah was getting at, it makes little to no sense for it to be used as such on its own and "noctium", despite being the proper plural form, probably sounds even more odd than the singular and distorts the meaning.

With (some) respect to Latin grammar and in attempt to preserve the meaning, using "noctis" for both singular and plural makes sense in the given context, or you could go the fully Anglicized way and use "noctises" instead. Personally, I find the former option much more appealing/correct.
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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2013-03-02 16:59:14 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
What would the plural of "primae noctis" be?

Since Noctis is a noun, not part of a phrase, I think it's safe to assume that English style pluralisation is appropriate: "Noctises". Or if you want to sound like a bobo (that's a French perjorative for "hipster", derived from "bourgeoisie bohemian") you could try fancy false-Latin endings such as Noctii or Noctium. That will impress your dumb friends in the noob PvP corp, but won't pass muster on the forums.

Latin's a dead language, as dead as dead can be. It killed the ancient Romans, and now it's killing me!


Primae jus noctis ;)

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-03-02 17:47:38 UTC
Two Noctis, one wreck
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-03-02 17:56:25 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
You add an "es" for each additional Noctis on grid. So...

1 = Noctis
2 = Noctises
4 = Noctiseseses
8 = Why the hell are there 8 of these things here?

9 = TARP!!
Melody Cadelanne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-03-02 18:29:32 UTC
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
1 noctis plus 1 noctis equals...


2 noctis. It's elementary, my dear Watson.