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Stealth Nerf Much?
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#1 - 2013-02-28 21:40:05 UTC
I just read this on my Tengu fitted MWD. It is copy/pasted word for word.


Massive boost to speed for a very short time. The thrust that boosts the ship, and the corresponding maximum velocity bonus, are limited by the mass of the ship that uses this module. The sheer amount of energy needed to power this system means that it must permanently reserve a fraction of the capacitor output just to maintain the integrity of its warp containment field, and when activated it substantially increases the ship's EM footprint.

Penalty: Max capacitor reduced.

Note: Cruiser class module


"Substantially increases EM Footprint?"

"Max Capacitor Reduced?"

I... They....
Anachronic
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-28 21:44:27 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
I just read this on my Tengu fitted MWD. It is copy/pasted word for word.


Massive boost to speed for a very short time. The thrust that boosts the ship, and the corresponding maximum velocity bonus, are limited by the mass of the ship that uses this module. The sheer amount of energy needed to power this system means that it must permanently reserve a fraction of the capacitor output just to maintain the integrity of its warp containment field, and when activated it substantially increases the ship's EM footprint.

Penalty: Max capacitor reduced.

Note: Cruiser class module


"Substantially increases EM Footprint?"

"Max Capacitor Reduced?"

I... They....


this is nothing new, MWD have always had a sig radius penalty while active (ie - "sustantially increases the ship's EM footprint"), and the capacitor penalty is also not new, with the only modules (that I can remember) that have no cap penalty being the X-type deadspace mods. Hope this helps
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-02-28 21:47:14 UTC
Are you just trolling, or are all the Drake and Tengu pilots this confused?

Those penalties have been there, if not always, at least several years.

(EM footprint = sig radius)


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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2013-02-28 21:50:08 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
I... They....


They changed the wording on the module. That's all.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#5 - 2013-02-28 21:53:23 UTC
I am not trolling, but I was never aware of the wording that specified EM footprint. Yeah I knew about the 500% syg radius. Yeah I knew the MWD eats cap, but did not know it has a built in cap reduction value.

It seams more relevant now, and yes, specifically to drake and Tengu pilots.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2013-02-28 21:57:19 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
I am not trolling, but I was never aware of the wording that specified EM footprint. Yeah I knew about the 500% syg radius. Yeah I knew the MWD eats cap, but did not know it has a built in cap reduction value.

It seams more relevant now, and yes, specifically to drake and Tengu pilots.


Yup. Hence the old Thorax bonus (which reduced the max cap reduction penalty), effectively making the Thorax (in theory) especially suited to MWD use because it retained more of its original cap with one fit than other ships did.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#7 - 2013-02-28 22:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
Thx Zhilia. The 'EM' wording kinda shocked me. I need to absorb the info a little.

Still learning I guess.

Edit here: The whole Idea of zero EM resist, and a 500% larger EM footprint seriously wtf'd me.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#8 - 2013-02-28 22:02:28 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
I am not trolling, but I was never aware of the wording that specified EM footprint. Yeah I knew about the 500% syg radius. Yeah I knew the MWD eats cap, but did not know it has a built in cap reduction value.

It seams more relevant now, and yes, specifically to drake and Tengu pilots.


Yup. Hence the old Thorax bonus (which reduced the max cap reduction penalty), effectively making the Thorax (in theory) especially suited to MWD use because it retained more of its original cap with one fit than other ships did.

At Gallente Cruiser 5, The MWD actually got a positive modifier, so it acted like a small cap battery instead, giving you more total cap when fitting a microwarp

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-03-01 04:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
RavenPaine wrote:
I am not trolling, but I was never aware of the wording that specified EM footprint. Yeah I knew about the 500% syg radius. Yeah I knew the MWD eats cap, but did not know it has a built in cap reduction value.

It seams more relevant now, and yes, specifically to drake and Tengu pilots.




how so....capless weapons systems ( I am assuming non hybrid tengu for obvious reasons lol).

This is more amarr, gallente, and gun based caldari where the better cap of T2 may be preferred.. Ever wondered why t2 prop mods existed when your pvp standards are experimental/lmiteted/ basically all the named high meta stuff this is it. T2 is nicer to your cap is the reason. At the cost of being a pita to fit.


Also worth noting based on the number of high meta prop mod fits this affect does not have dire implications whch way you go . Named gear generally is the winner cap hit and all.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-01 07:22:52 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Thx Zhilia. The 'EM' wording kinda shocked me. I need to absorb the info a little.

Still learning I guess.

Edit here: The whole Idea of zero EM resist, and a 500% larger EM footprint seriously wtf'd me.



EM footprint has nothing to do with EM resists, it's just another word for signature radius.

If I remember right, sig radius is explained in-universe as a "noise" produced by the ship. A large ship needs substantially more complex systems, making the ship far more visible on sensors than a small frigate. Then you have drones that function almost exclusively on electronic systems (meaning their sig radius is overblown for their size) and advanced "stealth" ships, that have this "noise" far smaller than their actual size (example: pve Tengu).
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#11 - 2013-03-01 09:23:20 UTC
How have you played long enough to get into a Tengu yet not known about an mwd's sig radius and cap penalties
Tsai Ashitaka
Caidin Global Academy
#12 - 2013-03-01 22:10:25 UTC
EM footprint means sig radius.

It does NOTHING to your EM resist. It makes you 5 times bigger, that's all.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#13 - 2013-03-02 00:06:28 UTC
Thanks guys for posting. I really didn't know that sig = EM.
In my brain, the only thing I could relate EM to, is the big weak spot in my ships defense.

And I am kind of miffed over many of the recent changes.
Bad attitude + ignorance = dumb assumption.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#14 - 2013-03-02 00:19:11 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Thanks guys for posting. I really didn't know that sig = EM.
In my brain, the only thing I could relate EM to, is the big weak spot in my ships defense.

And I am kind of miffed over many of the recent changes.
Bad attitude + ignorance = dumb assumption.


I don't think the sig radius has ever been referred to as an "EM footprint" before, so I don't blame you.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#15 - 2013-03-02 06:00:30 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Thanks guys for posting. I really didn't know that sig = EM.
In my brain, the only thing I could relate EM to, is the big weak spot in my ships defense.

And I am kind of miffed over many of the recent changes.
Bad attitude + ignorance = dumb assumption.


I don't think the sig radius has ever been referred to as an "EM footprint" before, so I don't blame you.


This. It's incredibly awkward phrasing. Really ought to be changed.
Cable Udan
Balls Deep Inc.
#16 - 2013-03-02 11:27:34 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Thx Zhilia. The 'EM' wording kinda shocked me. I need to absorb the info a little.

Still learning I guess.

Edit here: The whole Idea of zero EM resist, and a 500% larger EM footprint seriously wtf'd me.


If you're still learning I don't think you should be flying Tengus.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#17 - 2013-03-02 11:38:44 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Thanks guys for posting. I really didn't know that sig = EM.
In my brain, the only thing I could relate EM to, is the big weak spot in my ships defense.

And I am kind of miffed over many of the recent changes.
Bad attitude + ignorance = dumb assumption.


I don't think the sig radius has ever been referred to as an "EM footprint" before, so I don't blame you.


This. It's incredibly awkward phrasing. Really ought to be changed.

This is the direct translation of what signature radius is concretely. It's a SciFi game, do you remember ?
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-03-02 12:24:38 UTC
BadAssMcKill wrote:
How have you played long enough to get into a Tengu yet not known about an mwd's sig radius and cap penalties


Astonishingly, the OP has over 100 mill SP.

I know people like to mock the supposed ignorance of the stereotypical Drake/Tengu pilot, but... Shocked
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#19 - 2013-03-02 16:49:28 UTC
atleast it doesnt raise your explosive footprint
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#20 - 2013-03-02 16:50:13 UTC
how about ignore the description tab and focus on the attribute tab
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