EVE General Discussion

Don't really care how the FAQ markets it.

The guy making it has himself, personally, said that for all intent and purposes it's going to be an MMO. MMORPG.com had an hour long interview with the guy and serveral times he refered to it as "an MMO".

Nor did I say it was a substitute for EVE. WoW may similliar to EQ, but it wasn't really a substitute for it either.
I'm saying that there are a lot of people who don't give a **** it's not going to be a one world set up like EVE, and that there are a lot of people who play EVE who really do want an EVElike game where the PvE and PvP are seperated.

Those people won't give a **** that there is a disconnect between two aspects of the game, they already want it.

EVE is a business, and it's smart business to keep an eye on anyone who can be a potential competitor; even more so when you're the only person providing a product for a niche market. It's not like CCP is competing with other spaceship games, and there's a heck of a lot of room for competition when you're the only internet spaceship game in town.


Is it supposed to be an internet spaceship game? check.
Is it supposed to have fun and compelling PvE? check.
Is it supposed to offer controllable space to fight over? check.
Is it supposed to offer cockpit style flight and combat? check.
Is it supposed to allow you to exit your ship and walk around with your avatar? check.
Is it supposed to have an economy that ties the various areas of the game together? check.

EVElike doesn't mean exactly like EVE, it means a game that offers the same basic type of gameplay, regardless of how it's structured, and that's what SC is suppoed to do.

Manual piloting with joystiq would make bumping epically easy.
Its not really a thing for EVE though, would be weird and stupid.

Right....

I think that perhaps too much is being assumed here.

What I am proposing is not replacing the way the game is currently played at the speed and timing that is being played, but looking at the addition of mechanics to add "the human factor". In my original proposal, I was also taking into account CCP's internal development angle of adding tessellation into the game allowing for collision affects on a scale that are not currently possible.

I would propose that carrier pilots still be able to use their AI controlled drones with all the ups and downs that go with that. The addition of the ability for other people to interact with that one pilot's ship and make it's performance better with the addition of teamwork I see as being interesting, fun, and engaging.

Pilots interacting with other pilots and becoming something more than the sum total of it's parts is the idea.

EvE has always been about people coming together.

Instead of 200 man slowcat blobs you get 50 man carrier blobs with 50 support ships and 50 guys in frigates and other stuff and guys taking control of drones, turrets, and fighter bombers, etc and making fleet combat more dynamic than FOTM F1 tippy-bird doctrine. Right now combat in EvE consists of looking at a black and white overview, while little purple squares and little red squares make black and white hemispheres turn from white to red leaving little white triangles behind.

*snip* Please refrain from telling CCP what to do or not to do in a patronizing manner. ISD Ezwal

I live in hope about the ponies. I've read the chronicles, if I can buy a human face off poor people then why can't my next clone be a pony...

Work on it CCP, scrap any joystick stuff to make time if you have too.

One harsh lesson that I have learned over many years of MMO use: "Free aim" is simply a polite way of saying "Aim bot."

The other unpleasant lesson that I have learned as well is that any game with this sort of "fast action" frame of mind (i.e. FPS games and their ilk) invariably use the same method to reduce the massive server load that would come from trying to track so many "free aim" bits of weapons fire; namely through the use of peer-to-peer connections.

The problem with such connections is that, as is their purpose, they lack any and all server oversight. Hitting one's target is not so much a matter of correctly targeting them and hitting them with a projectile as it is simply a matter of getting your client to tell their client that you have hit them. Even simply pulling the trigger is entirely optional at this point. The worst offenders of the genre even handle damage inflicted this way. In short, it is only a matter of time before any peer-to-peer module using MMO is completely dominated by players who can magically fire a pellet gun at targets across an entire map, hit ever time, and with every plastic pellet inflicting enough damage to kill a small moon.

The one joyous aspect of PvP in EvE is that none of this sort of nonsense happens. Yes, it may lag unto the point of time dilation sometimes, but that is because the server is watching over every shot of every player and tracking every effect of every module as well. I have yet, to this very day, seen anything in EvE that I can say with any sense of certainty involved hacking. Simply having such levels of server oversight puts even the idea of hacking far beyond the scope of most would-be script kiddies who have been spoiled by years of lazy peer-to-peer systems.

I really think that. And as for why i am here, that is none of your concern. If you have nothing to say that makes sense, why don`t you just stfu?

Responding to my perfectly sensible question with irrational anger only shows that you have preconceptions towards PVP not borne of any actual experience with the subject and are hostile to any viewpoints which may challenge these preconceptions.

Anger? If this is your idea of anger, then you don`t know what anger really is. Perfectly sensible question? Maybe to you, not to me. Since you are feeling butthurt, let`s have a conversation then. Please, would you be so kind, dear sir, and explain to me how it so happens that there is skill in pvp? Angle approach? Dictating distance? Cap wars? Cause in my eyes it all boils down to 3 vs 1 wins and bigger blob eats smaller blob. Do continue please...

The only thing I can disagree with is the ship type.

Our frigates are still boats, just the smallest of them; still huge though.

I could see it if it was a new class of ship that is by nature an aircraft, like the fighters. It wouldn't make any sense for a capsuleer to pilot a frigate like a jet when it's not a jet, and the only ships in EVE that function like aircraft are drones and fighters.

I think it would also be more impressive if I was in a ship the size of a drone, flying around someone's BS, while fighting other guys in drone sized ships or hunting down drones.

I'd rather see them add too, instead of alter or "make an option".
Plus the "space physics" they use in EVE wouldn't allow twitch style control of a frigate, the ship has to get smaller in the EVE unvierse.

In Halo the Halcyon class Cruiser from the first game has a glass bridge on the underside of the front of the ship, an unshielded shoot here and win fish tank like a carnival game.

In the book Captain Keyes explains the reason they do that. Because the designers are idiots while the Covenant who build their ship like artistic cathedrals with decks 2-3 times higher then needed are still clever enough to but their command decks at the center of the largest part of their ship. Keyes made frequent complaints about it.

In the battle of reach a lot of the casualties had their bridges sniped clean off.