Intergalactic Summit

I find it convenient that you can all act so appalled despite the atrocities that your Empires commit each day which are ignored piecemeal.

Yes, this is a tragedy, but for as long as you cling to the ways of the Big Four these tragedies will continue.

Heth appealed to the State when he sought regression, bringing back the meritocracy, but what he actually seeks is revolution. So he reveals himself to be a fool. There can be no revolutionary regimes.

I remind you all that there is a peace, a peace out there that the Four converged upon together to destroy. Makes you think.

Oh, I agree. Those vain individuals who were so caught up in the realization that they had involved themselves in something so much bigger than they had at first thought must have felt dwarfed by comparison. At this point their feeble minds could have only chosen to run, there is a simple psychology to this. Though I do not accuse all of the turncoats to be vain, some were simply unready.

But I am assuming you mean to imply that Nation commits atrocity? Well, this is subjective. We can however categorically say that, unlike Nation, the Four are guilty of crimes that are unethical to it's own population but the majority choose to remain ignorant of that unless it suits them to show face. This is where you sin.



It's a non-problem. The True Slaves are happy with their place in Nation.



I used to have that attitude.

Only when death is political does it matter to us capsuleers, it seems. I implore that if you all care that much about the loss of human life, then consider using your powers for good.

Dear Mr. Stitcher,
Perhaps you could clarify the extent to which you believe that the soldier has immunity based on the claim that he or she was "just following orders." Throughout history, soldiers have been judged culpable for atrocities and war crimes committed under orders and have not been relieved of accountability. At what point would you say that it is the soldier's responsibility to question the orders and determine that they are "not good?" At what point does is the soldier no longer a victim of bad orders but a perpetrator of atrocity and fully culpable for his his or her behavior? Can the soldier always claim refuge in the claim that he or she is a victim? At some point, this line of reasoning leads to holocost, does it not?

No. Humans are not tools. They are living, thinking beings capable of individual judgement and discernment, and apparently one of the Home Guard pilots realised this and stood down rather than murder civilians. So many atrocities have been justified under the aegis of "I did what I was ordered to do." Soldiers are trained to follow orders but the soldier who doesn't spare even a moment's thought to what he's being ordered to do is no less responsible for what happens by his hand than the people who give him the orders.

Caldari capsuleers have historically proven to be more vocal and frivolous with their opinions than most other Caldari. Take from that what you will.

It should also be noted that there have always been vocal and heated debates for and against Heth from the capsuleer community. It seems the more prominent side of the argument is the opposing side in this case.

Just to be clear to those who weren't there; the ships were leaving the Station in which they were perused by Home Guard forces as they were trying to escape; These were unarmed ships attempting to flee. Despite the presence of military vessels, the targets were unequivocally focused on the carriers and not the several battleships, cruisers and battlecrusiers in the area that could have done just as much if not more damage and who were in direct conflict with Home Guard forces.

1. I wouldn't call it terrorism, but he certainly led a fully grown and bloody revolt. You can't deny that.

2. If he saved the State from ruin and apparently made things so much better, then why were the workers protesting Kaalakoita in the first place? Why were the riots in New Caldari? Why is the media being stopped from further reporting the events? He screwed up the State, everyone knows it but he still thinks he can hide it.

3. The Titan did not stop full blown war, CONCORD did. Forces for a Gallente counter attack were already being mustered to drive back the Caldari and possibly invade their own space. If we completely overkilled the Kador invasion, then you can sure as hell bet we will show no mercy against a Titan battlefleet.

4. Very true.

This incident gives me a particularly disturbing case of deja vu. 12 May 109 was one of the darkest days in my tenure as a member of the Reserve's Command Staff, and to this day I still regret the fact that I could not have been there to prevent the loss of life that occurred that day. That nothing appears to have been learned from our tragic mistake on that day is the worst part of this for me.

Unfortunately, this is yet another symptom of the rot that has been created by Tibus Heth and his illegal regime. The Provists are not soldiers, they are thugs -- when you believe that violence and suppression of any dissent is the only way to maintain power, and maintaining that power is your only goal, it is unsurprising that these are the results. The fact that the Home Guard participated in this act only proves that the rot that was present during those events in Piak that gave rise to his prominence has only grown worse.

The State must dismantle the office of the Executor and disband Tibus Heth's private mob of Provists; the rule of law, arbitrated by the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari Business Tribunal, must be reinstated. Illegal incursions into corporate sovereignty must end. If Kaalakiota wishes to devour itself by turning on its own workers en masse, then so be it, but the rest of the State cannot allow itself to be destroyed because of one man's need to exact vengeance against those who would call out his failures.

To those in the Caldari Navy, your obligation is to the CEP and the Caldari people, not to a tinpot dictator and his whims. Do not allow Tibus Heth to tarnish three hundred years of honorable service with the blood of your brethren. You must refuse to allow him to use you as a tool against his political enemies.

To the Chief Executive Panel, your kowtowing to this ridiculous man, who was nothing more than a construction worker five years ago and has proven himself to be nothing more than a demagogue and a thug since, must end. Your shareholders have elected you to lead to preserve the value of their investment, and if the State falls into civil war and internal bloodshed, all will be lost. Our forefathers understood this and designed our State so that no central authority could drag the Caldari to their own end; when you gave this man the power you did five years ago, you went against the very things that made the State strong. Now is the time to end this charade. Remember your obligations to your employees and your shareholders and refuse any claims of authority the Executor or his Provists claim over you.

To the Kaalakiota board of directors, I say only this. To allow Tibus Heth to occupy the same chair that Mathias Sobaseki did three hundred years ago is not only an insult to Kaalakiota and its shareholders, but also to the Caldari people. It is time for your corporation to remember your obligations and end the disgrace that you have brought to the Kaalakiota name.

Oh for the love of... do you and Luftshreck have to make everything about how us "evil Matari" attempted to drag her away from your Amarrian utopia? Give it a rest, lady! We know the song and dance by now and it's long since grown stale.

If I start a thread about the factors behind the rising price of Tritanium will you somehow manage to turn that into another of your "teh ebil Minmatars iz done kidnapped my kin and tried to lead her to ruinz in that backwards Republik" rants? Grrr...