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Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#21 - 2013-03-01 00:31:05 UTC
Henry Montclaire wrote:
Has the Home Guard given a reason for their attack?


Because they are goose stepping followers unwilling and unable to think for themselves.

Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism
Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#22 - 2013-03-01 01:10:53 UTC
Mekhana wrote:


You people are way too gullible and ease to control and manipulate. This is the point where I tell you "I told you so!" and now I'm going to sit back, watch and clap to this wonderful espetacle you helped create.

A'ne!


Wow, Really? Show some damn respect, Ms. Mekhana.

I wish to extend my personal condolences to all who lost people in this event. I hope no more blood is spilt.
Tayno Errakken
Peace and Progress
#23 - 2013-03-01 02:05:40 UTC
One can only hope that this tragedy will prompt CONCORD to change their protocols to ensure the safety of non-combat vessels in high-security space.
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-03-01 02:20:08 UTC
Mr Vikarion

The news of what you have told have reached me some what late, i am sorry for the loss of live and comend you for the effort to save lives... if there is still need i have a iteron class transport set up as a medical ship, and i also have several bigger version of the iteron class transports if there is still need to treat wounded and move those that need to get to a safer place... if what i offer can be off use do reply to me


and to those that argue and point fingers, when it burns pouring gasoline or water on the fire is two options, one is more constructive then the other, unless of course you wanted to inflame a already flammable situation
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-03-01 02:20:46 UTC
From the distance, I can see the dark clouds of the storm gathering, as the worst kind of war chokes the Caldari: the war of brother against brother. You have my best wishes, may the incoming bloodspilling serve, in the long road, for a better future; may the sacrifices of today and tomorrow not be in vain.

That's the only hope that remains, in face of the Horror.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2013-03-01 02:40:12 UTC
Let the sacrifices of brave Kaalakiota not be in vain. Winds, speed them to the home of their ancestors.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#27 - 2013-03-01 02:50:06 UTC
There are no adequate words to condemn such a heinous act. I extend my sympathies to all affected by this crime.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-03-01 03:05:47 UTC
Henry Montclaire wrote:
Has the Home Guard given a reason for their attack?


They cannot for there are no justifications.

~Malcolm Khross
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#29 - 2013-03-01 03:34:34 UTC
The State is supposed to be a meritocracy. What does this incident say about Heth's merit? By their own laws he has justified his removal from office.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#30 - 2013-03-01 03:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Malcolm Khross wrote:
We must not let ourselves be lost to the hounds of our enemies, though they hunt with ferocity and vigor, we must stand ever vigilant against them.

It is times like these.

For a brief glimmering moment I thought... a kindred in kind, but no... even now, us.. them.. then even the us within ourselves divided.

I have no love for the State, it has taken too much from me, but what little harm I could do, I will not.

See then to your own hounds.

Mekhana wrote:
You people stop, drop and start dancing to a different tune all too quickly.

Well over a year ago sane capsuleers warned you about Tibus Heth and how obvious his intentions and motives were. Yet all you could reply was with:

"He's not so bad!"

"He's a hero!"

You people are way too gullible and ease to control and manipulate. This is the point where I tell you "I told you so!" and now I'm going to sit back, watch and clap to this wonderful espetacle you helped create.

A'ne!

No joy should we find in this, only sorrow, for lives lost in seeking justice.

Have we fallen so far, that the only solace we can find is in causing each other harm. If that is so brothers.. then lost we are indeed.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-03-01 04:37:46 UTC
*Incoming Transmission*
Origin: Nennamaila:Ishaga:Black Rise
*Looking directly at the Camera*

Is this the same people that fought the Gallente Federation to a stand still because they felt they needed their own space. Fought on because they felt they needed to preserve their own way of life from an encroaching influence?

Now you stand idly by while workers are killed simply because they go on strike and cause a minor disruption?

*Shaking his head at the camera*

Hopefully you as a collective will wake up and realize who the real enemy is before you reach a point of no return.

*Turns and walks off camera muttering something incomprehendable*
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#32 - 2013-03-01 04:59:57 UTC
Yes, yes, well, not to play the devil's advocate or anything...

or rather, to play the devil's advocate...

or even more rather a witch who sees God in the chaos of emptiness - how exactly has it been established that howevermany thousand of these workers stuffed into freighters were, in fact, "peaceful?"

If I were a zombie overlord, say, with a cybernetic nanite virus that transforms people into more zombies, say, filling two freighters with zombie virus carriers, simply for the purposes of argument, might strike me as a keen way to take revenge on the people who most wronged me - hypothetically speaking.

How has that been ruled out, exactly?

Is it not in fact possible that Heth made the right choice under extraordinarily difficult conditions?
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-01 08:21:39 UTC
Its so nice to know that in the aftermath of a tragic event we can always rely on at least one Gallente to claim that this somehow justified, that it was the fault of the people that Heth murdered those protesters. I for one wasn't aware that the we all some how gained the gift of seeing into the future. Know one could have foreseen that Heth would come down so hard on those people, you don't have the moral high ground to claim you saw this coming, both nations have down horrendous things since the founding of our two nations. From Nouvelle Rouvenor to the Malkalen we have been killing each other and neither one of us are innocent.

You want Heth gone? Get in line. Contrary to popular believe among Gallente loyalists Heth does not have a very strong fan base in the State capsuleer community and the regular people in the State don't have access to this Summit. Organisations like I-RED and The Fourth District have been against the Provist movement since the beginning.

The only good that can come from this tragedy is that the people of the State now have an unfiltered look at how far gone Heth is.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#34 - 2013-03-01 08:44:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Los Muertas
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Its so nice to know that in the aftermath of a tragic event we can always rely on at least one Gallente to claim that this somehow justified, that it was the fault of the people that Heth murdered those protesters.{/quote] Actually it is the fault of the people. They all empowered this man with their mindless following a man who came to the public spotlight by committing a terrorist act and who advocated nothing short of war as the best way to elevate the State out of some imaginary quagmire.

Aquila Shadow wrote:
I for one wasn't aware that the we all some how gained the gift of seeing into the future. Know one could have foreseen that Heth would come down so hard on those people, you don't have the moral high ground to claim you saw this coming...


The man uses Titans and Dreadnoughts guns pointed at civilians to "make peace", are you seriously saying that this method of peace never seemed strange to you, that perhaps a made man holding hostages to get his way, was a mad man that would turn on anyone in order to maintain his power base?

Aquila Shadow wrote:
You want Heth gone? Get in line. Contrary to popular believe among Gallente loyalists Heth does not have a very strong fan base in the State capsuleer community and the regular people in the State don't have access to this Summit. Organisations like I-RED and The Fourth District have been against the Provist movement since the beginning.


So put a bullet in his head and be done with it.

[quote=Aquila Shadow] The only good that can come from this tragedy is that the people of the State now have an unfiltered look at how far gone Heth is.


You all already had that look at your leader, why would this change what the State has already chosen.

Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-03-01 09:07:17 UTC
Los Muertas wrote:
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Its so nice to know that in the aftermath of a tragic event we can always rely on at least one Gallente to claim that this somehow justified, that it was the fault of the people that Heth murdered those protesters.{/quote] Actually it is the fault of the people. They all empowered this man with their mindless following a man who came to the public spotlight by committing a terrorist act and who advocated nothing short of war as the best way to elevate the State out of some imaginary quagmire.

Aquila Shadow wrote:
I for one wasn't aware that the we all some how gained the gift of seeing into the future. Know one could have foreseen that Heth would come down so hard on those people, you don't have the moral high ground to claim you saw this coming...


The man uses Titans and Dreadnoughts guns pointed at civilians to "make peace", are you seriously saying that this method of peace never seemed strange to you, that perhaps a made man holding hostages to get his way, was a mad man that would turn on anyone in order to maintain his power base?

Aquila Shadow wrote:
You want Heth gone? Get in line. Contrary to popular believe among Gallente loyalists Heth does not have a very strong fan base in the State capsuleer community and the regular people in the State don't have access to this Summit. Organisations like I-RED and The Fourth District have been against the Provist movement since the beginning.


So put a bullet in his head and be done with it.

[quote=Aquila Shadow] The only good that can come from this tragedy is that the people of the State now have an unfiltered look at how far gone Heth is.


You all already had that look at your leader, why would this change what the State has already chosen.





1. Heth didn't commit any terrorist act to become the had of the State, he just capitalized on the resentment the working class had for the "Caldari elite"

2. The State was in a quagmire, the workers were little better of then slaves that got paid just enough to survive and the economy was about to crash and burn under the neglect of the previous caretakers. While he is a monster Heth did save the State from ruin. Its also not surprising that the people allowed him to become Executor, at this point he hadn't done anything to make them doubt him.

3.The only way the State could have possibly held onto Caldari Prime was to use the Titan as a deterrent. It also stopped a full blown war breaking out between the State and the Federation, we should probably that your Elders invasion for that.

4. If it were that easy to kill Heth he would be dead already

5. Only the capsuleer community has the full story on what was going on when the navy was bombing those planets, and we are the minority, now the whole state has seen what Heth can really do.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#36 - 2013-03-01 10:33:49 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:


1. Heth didn't commit any terrorist act to become the had of the State, he just capitalized on the resentment the working class had for the "Caldari elite"

2. The State was in a quagmire, the workers were little better of then slaves that got paid just enough to survive and the economy was about to crash and burn under the neglect of the previous caretakers. While he is a monster Heth did save the State from ruin. Its also not surprising that the people allowed him to become Executor, at this point he hadn't done anything to make them doubt him.

3.The only way the State could have possibly held onto Caldari Prime was to use the Titan as a deterrent. It also stopped a full blown war breaking out between the State and the Federation, we should probably that your Elders invasion for that.

4. If it were that easy to kill Heth he would be dead already

5. Only the capsuleer community has the full story on what was going on when the navy was bombing those planets, and we are the minority, now the whole state has seen what Heth can really do.


which is why media black outs were issued in the state... i honestly suspect someone is trying to figure out how to spin this story either against the protesters or against the capsuleers that declared support for said workers and tried to protect them. then depeding on story spun we'll see who gets the blame and who believes the propaganda. since considering the incident i don't expect hear truth from Caldari media if any mention of it at all.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2013-03-01 10:57:15 UTC
As much as I decry what happened today, there's no proof that Heth ordered this action - in fact we don't know who did. I hope that Kaalakiota will respond with a statement and, until they do, I have no further comment to make.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#38 - 2013-03-01 11:18:59 UTC
My sympathy goes out to to those caught in this terrible incident, I pray that the upcoming storm passes quickly.

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#39 - 2013-03-01 11:22:56 UTC
This course of events only proves my point from the other thread.

Violent revolution is your only solution.

Cast down your tyrant and reclaim the true Caldari way of the eight.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-01 12:25:08 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

For a brief glimmering moment I thought... a kindred in kind, but no... even now, us.. them.. then even the us within ourselves divided.

I have no love for the State, it has taken too much from me, but what little harm I could do, I will not.

See then to your own hounds.


The hounds exist within and without, Syagrius and are not so plain and easy to see as "Gallente" vs "Caldari."

Caviar Liberta wrote:
Is this the same people that fought the Gallente Federation to a stand still because they felt they needed their own space. Fought on because they felt they needed to preserve their own way of life from an encroaching influence?

Now you stand idly by while workers are killed simply because they go on strike and cause a minor disruption?


Reading comprehension must be difficult for you. Do not ever accuse those taking action of standing idly by lest you be made to look all the more foolish.

~Malcolm Khross