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Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-28 15:09:12 UTC
So,
i am currently making about 19 Mill / hour while doing Sec Missions.
Two toon setup : Sentry Navy Domi plus Loot / Salvage toon.

It might be more than 19 mill but not much.

I am not counting LP stuff towards the ISK /h right now, just Bounty, Loot and Salvage.

I dont want to give up ont eloot and salvage as I want to keep the option of building stuff from
the recprocessed minerals.


So, what would you say it the maximum Isk / hour a two toon combo can go ?

thx
Zap
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2 - 2013-02-28 15:18:58 UTC
If stars are aligned properly and mission fairy feels friendly with not crazy missions I'm pretty sure I make more than 19 mil per hour. But:
- I use AC mach not drone boat
- I run L4s in 0.5-0.6 system
- I don't loot/salvage just collect reward and move to next mission (not same as blitzing, I kill everything)
- I have Negotiation 4 and working on 5 lvl

Probably nothing helpful for you but maybe gives you some idea what to improve. Or not :)

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Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-28 15:23:58 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
If stars are aligned properly and mission fairy feels friendly with not crazy missions I'm pretty sure I make more than 19 mil per hour. But:
- I use AC mach not drone boat
- I run L4s in 0.5-0.6 system
- I don't loot/salvage just collect reward and move to next mission (not same as blitzing, I kill everything)
- I have Negotiation 4 and working on 5 lvl

Probably nothing helpful for you but maybe gives you some idea what to improve. Or not :)



ist defintily got pointers.
skills: yeah got to work on those i think
ship. well i think the dps / tank is the factor. so increasing overall dps works as well.

what i get from your answer is that i might be making much more isk if i swicth the send toon from loot / salvage to
another dps boat.

mightbe worthwhile to think about.... although all that loot... :-)

and finding those missions in an area of 0.5 systems would be neat. but unfortunatly those are most often directyl next to lowsec. and i dont want to risk losing my nvy domi to some mission pirate.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#4 - 2013-02-28 15:29:49 UTC
These are not the maximum numbers you can get with 2 accounts but its a good metric.

Posted: 2011.09.30 13:54

"Cipher Jones"


This is for a .5 system, l4 in negotiation and Security missions, and a mach with aprox 800 gun DPS and a flight of light drones for frigs (when and if needed). Salvaged by a noctis alt where applicable. Times start with accepting the mission and end after the salvage/loot is sold, or when 'rushing' is over. This is for Republic fleet. The calculation script was written in Perl. It allows for the time to be entered manually so after the first time you run the mission you can adjust the LP conversion. Sorry, I lost the recon series results, didn't log them.

598.178405 seconds = 0.166160668055556 hours...
Enter the mission reward... 1730000
Enter the bonus, if any... 1450000
Enter the Bounty earned... 2077500
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 8314
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 1000
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any...
13,571,500 Total Isk... 81,676,970.6021066 ISK per hour was earned running WC4
in a Machariel
14/09/2011 22:06:11

0.075 hours...
Enter the mission reward... 578000
Enter the bonus, if any... 553000
Enter the Bounty earned...
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 2626
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 1000
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any...
50,093,333.3333333 ISK per hour was earned running Cargo Delivery
in a Comet
30/08/2011 22:31:00

0.366944444444444 hours...
Enter the mission reward... 1150000
Enter the bonus, if any... 1140000
Enter the Bounty earned... 4956000
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 6478
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 1000
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any... 9400000
23,124,000 Total Isk... 63,017,713.8531416 ISK per hour was earned running Damsel
in a Mach
18/09/2011 15:58:11

2889.157538 seconds = 0.802543760555556 hours...
Enter the mission reward... 1810000
Enter the bonus, if any... 2100000
Enter the Bounty earned... 18333868
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 8314
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 1000
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any... 17000000
47,557,868 Total Isk... 59,258,909.4046141 ISK per hour was earned running AE4
in a Mach
19/09/2011 13:20:36

Enter time in seconds... 2695
0.748611111111111 hours...
Enter the mission reward... 1750000
Enter the bonus, if any... 1830000
Enter the Bounty earned... 9982000
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 5939
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 1000
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any... 22000000
41,501,000 Total Isk... 55,437,328.3858998 ISK per hour was earned running Mordus Headhunters
in a Mach
19/09/2011 16:15:24


0.333333333333333 hours...
Enter the mission reward... 1530000
Enter the bonus, if any... 1590000
Enter the Bounty earned... 0
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 5176
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 1000
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any... 5400000
13,696,000 Total Isk... 41,088,000 ISK per hour was earned running infiltrated outposts
in a mach
19/09/2011 17:39:50


1005.55936 seconds = 0.279322044444444 hours...
Enter the mission reward... 1220000
Enter the bonus, if any... 1140000
Enter the Bounty earned... 4525571
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 5539
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 1000
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any... 6400000
18,824,571 Total Isk... 67,393,789.2637189 ISK per hour was earned running Unauthorized military presence
in a Mach
19/09/2011 18:45:10

1095.834392 seconds = 0.304398442222222 hours...
Enter the mission reward... 1690000
Enter the bonus, if any... 1320000
Enter the Bounty earned... 9139875
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 6737
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 930
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any... 7100000
25,515,285 Total Isk... 83,821,995.9791151 ISK per hour was earned running PI
in a Mach
20/09/2011 00:58:59

1227.728612 seconds
Enter the mission reward... 700000
Enter the bonus, if any... 841000
Enter the Bounty earned... 3143442
Enter Loyalty Points earned... 4044
How many isk per loyalty point do you convert?... 1100
Enter the value of the loot/salvage, if any... 3000000
12,132,842 Total Isk... 35,576,454.5788723 ISK per hour was earned running Intercept The Sabateurs
in a Mach

Not today spaghetti.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#5 - 2013-02-28 15:38:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Believe me, nobody will go after you navy domi when there are shiny machs and tengus flying around. That of course doesn't mean some ninja won't try to trick you into aggro him but it is something you have to take care (meaning just ignore him or warp out if you are afraid you may shoot him by mistake). Beside recent AI aggro changes made ninja business little harder as far as I know but maybe not completely. Beside if somebody wants to gank you they will do it no matter where you are, outside of station you are fair game.

And lower sec status of a system makes missions little more profitable.

And for 50 or sth like that L4s only two of them were in lowsec and I just declined them. One of them was storyline with implant worth 140mil according to what I saw on market but I don't care.

As for loot and salvage it depends on your preferences. Few months ago when I was grinding ISK for Mach and then for loki, cyna and other nice hulls I wanted to have I made my share of rounds in noctis and cleaned up every wreck. But now I just don't feel like doing it so I just don't. Doesn't mean I couldn't use more ISK but I just prefer to point guns at red crosses instead salvagers at wrecks, that's all.

Just in case you don't know it (if you do sorry for stating the obvious) best "efficiency" (I hate that term in relation to a game but whatever) is to kill rats, bookmark 1 wreck in every mission pocket and return mission to agent. Wrecks stay in space for about 2 hours so you can run missions for 1,5hr and than switch to noctis and do the tournee to every bookmark and clean up. That way you could dedicate you second toon for supporting dps or RR instead of just let him sit in noctis waiting for clear pocket.

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Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-28 15:47:25 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:


Just in case you don't know it (if you do sorry for stating the obvious) best "efficiency" (I hate that term in relation to a game but whatever) is to kill rats, bookmark 1 wreck in every mission pocket and return mission to agent. Wrecks stay in space for about 2 hours so you can run missions for 1,5hr and than switch to noctis and do the tournee to every bookmark and clean up. That way you could dedicate you second toon for supporting dps or RR instead of just let him sit in noctis waiting for clear pocket.



Indeed I didnt know that. so even the deadspace pockets with accel.gates stay there for 1,5 hours ??

and those numbers in a mach... insane.
what kind of skill level does one need to effectivly fly a mach ? and i also guess its with all T2 / faction mods and such ?
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#7 - 2013-02-28 15:54:11 UTC
Zap Zarrap wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:


Just in case you don't know it (if you do sorry for stating the obvious) best "efficiency" (I hate that term in relation to a game but whatever) is to kill rats, bookmark 1 wreck in every mission pocket and return mission to agent. Wrecks stay in space for about 2 hours so you can run missions for 1,5hr and than switch to noctis and do the tournee to every bookmark and clean up. That way you could dedicate you second toon for supporting dps or RR instead of just let him sit in noctis waiting for clear pocket.



Indeed I didnt know that. so even the deadspace pockets with accel.gates stay there for 1,5 hours ??

and those numbers in a mach... insane.
what kind of skill level does one need to effectivly fly a mach ? and i also guess its with all T2 / faction mods and such ?



You can squeeze out pretty decent tank/dps numbers out of a machariel with faction guns and level 4 gunnery skills I'd imagine, enough to do 800 dps I'm sure.

Not today spaghetti.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#8 - 2013-02-28 16:03:46 UTC
Zap Zarrap wrote:
Indeed I didnt know that. so even the deadspace pockets with accel.gates stay there for 1,5 hours ??

The gates and structures and everything associated with the mission will despawn after you turn the mission in, but the wrecks will stay. That means your salvager will be able to warp directly to the wrecks without having to travel through gates, but it also means you'll need to bookmark a wreck in each pocket.
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-28 16:09:02 UTC
actually i just ran th numbers and even though these number seem too god to be true, it is highly unrealistic that one can chain
for example Angel Xtravaganza for hours.

my two-toown combo is actually not far behind when you brak it down to isk / minute.
my numbers are not based on a per mission, but on a timeframe of about 4 hours of misisoning per online session.

the major difference I see though is that those Mach numbers are based on ONE pilot... thus meaning way less hassle.

guess i will to rethink my toon setup a lil bit.

and get the dusting Dominix out of storage....

i hate this grinding but it needs to get done.
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-28 16:09:38 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Zap Zarrap wrote:
Indeed I didnt know that. so even the deadspace pockets with accel.gates stay there for 1,5 hours ??

The gates and structures and everything associated with the mission will despawn after you turn the mission in, but the wrecks will stay. That means your salvager will be able to warp directly to the wrecks without having to travel through gates, but it also means you'll need to bookmark a wreck in each pocket.



thx for clearing that up ! cool
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-28 16:12:51 UTC
Zap Zarrap wrote:

and finding those missions in an area of 0.5 systems would be neat. but unfortunatly those are most often directyl next to lowsec. and i dont want to risk losing my nvy domi to some mission pirate.



There are quite a few L4 agents that are not sat next/near to losec space

Open the ingame [agent finder]
select your preferred Corporation and mission type and select level

eg Caldari Navy + Security + 4

each agent listed will also have location info, right click and show info, select the location tab and then adjacent systems info
or use Dotlan/Ombeys 2D maps to review the agent location

either way will give a reasonable idea of where you might prefer to mission, and doesnt really take all that much effort or time
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-02-28 18:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cage Man
I find it far quicker to have 2 toons shooting and then come back after a few missions to salvage. Easiest way to do this is get one toon into a drone boat and assist the drones to the second toon, less switching then.

EDIT -- Assist with Sentries..
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-28 19:13:17 UTC
Zap Zarrap wrote:
So,
i am currently making about 19 Mill / hour while doing Sec Missions.
Two toon setup : Sentry Navy Domi plus Loot / Salvage toon.

It might be more than 19 mill but not much.

I am not counting LP stuff towards the ISK /h right now, just Bounty, Loot and Salvage.

I dont want to give up ont eloot and salvage as I want to keep the option of building stuff from
the recprocessed minerals.


So, what would you say it the maximum Isk / hour a two toon combo can go ?

thx
Zap



If you aren't maximizing LP/hour then you are running missions "wrong". LP should be worth 3x-5x what the mission reward.

If you are taking time to shoot everything for bounties then you aren't blitzing your missions and you aren't maximizing your LP/Hour which will maximize your ISK/hour.

So . . .

1) Switch the a corp for your faction that has the best LP store and a security agent in 5.0 system

2) Blitz missions to maximize your LP/hour.

3) Convert LP at 3K/LP and you're space rich.

-FM
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-28 19:47:45 UTC
Fango Mango wrote:
Zap Zarrap wrote:
So,
i am currently making about 19 Mill / hour while doing Sec Missions.
Two toon setup : Sentry Navy Domi plus Loot / Salvage toon.

It might be more than 19 mill but not much.

I am not counting LP stuff towards the ISK /h right now, just Bounty, Loot and Salvage.

I dont want to give up ont eloot and salvage as I want to keep the option of building stuff from
the recprocessed minerals.


So, what would you say it the maximum Isk / hour a two toon combo can go ?

thx
Zap



If you aren't maximizing LP/hour then you are running missions "wrong". LP should be worth 3x-5x what the mission reward.

If you are taking time to shoot everything for bounties then you aren't blitzing your missions and you aren't maximizing your LP/Hour which will maximize your ISK/hour.

So . . .

1) Switch the a corp for your faction that has the best LP store and a security agent in 5.0 system

2) Blitz missions to maximize your LP/hour.

3) Convert LP at 3K/LP and you're space rich.

-FM



i understand. although I am a bit allergic to doing things "wrong" in a sandbox. but I do get your point. thx mate.
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-28 19:49:03 UTC
although one more question:

"converting LP to ISK" means to get stuff from the LP Store and then resell on market, right ?

thx in advance
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#16 - 2013-02-28 19:56:08 UTC
The thing to remember with these salvage, mission and hauler alts is that considering a months subscription is worth 500 million ISK in game. Every alt with its own account would have to generate an extra 500 million for you on a monthly basis just to square what it costs. And that's not even counting the actual labour that went into it at that point.

After that it can then start generating a profit.

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Daimar Lavode
#17 - 2013-02-28 20:14:12 UTC
Zap Zarrap wrote:
although one more question:

"converting LP to ISK" means to get stuff from the LP Store and then resell on market, right ?

thx in advance


correct, although there could also be the extra step of buying a BPC from the LP store, manufacturing the item then selling that.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-28 20:51:25 UTC
19mil per hour seems incredibly low. I get more running level 4s in a prophecy...

are you skipping all faction missions? Tags are worth a lot if you don't care about your standings with a particular faction (hi amarr)

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#19 - 2013-02-28 22:58:31 UTC
Zap Zarrap wrote:
So,
i am currently making about 19 Mill / hour while doing Sec Missions.
Two toon setup : Sentry Navy Domi plus Loot / Salvage toon.

It might be more than 19 mill but not much.

I am not counting LP stuff towards the ISK /h right now, just Bounty, Loot and Salvage.

I dont want to give up ont eloot and salvage as I want to keep the option of building stuff from
the recprocessed minerals.


So, what would you say it the maximum Isk / hour a two toon combo can go ?

thx
Zap


After a different thread debate on this, I tested this last week. In 2 hours, solo unfleeted in a regular 5x350mm 998 dps sentry dominix, I shot a bit over 70 mil isk in bounties, mission rewards and bonuses, and earned a bit over ~29000 lp.

Ignoring LP is dumb but in any case, thats 35mil/hr and for those that presume 800isk/lp, thats over 46mil/hr. Even including 15 mins to fetch more ammo and dump the LP items off at the hub (things I actually do in more bulk and far less frequently than 2 hours), it would be over 40mil isk/hr.

I did not loot, and I didn't log my alt in (who could have been there in a noctis). IMO upper end of solo is more like 100mil isk/hr by focusing on LP, and 2 accts both blitzing individual missions should be able to do at least 50% better again (presuming that the pilot gets a bit distracted between the 2 ships/missions etc).
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#20 - 2013-02-28 23:07:53 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
The thing to remember with these salvage, mission and hauler alts is that considering a months subscription is worth 500 million ISK in game. Every alt with its own account would have to generate an extra 500 million for you on a monthly basis just to square what it costs. And that's not even counting the actual labour that went into it at that point.

After that it can then start generating a profit.


its neutral profitwise if its skilling. anything made in space is a bonus.
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