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Is everything else a sideshow to level 4 missions when raising isk in highsec
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-27 21:58:18 UTC
(This is not a call to ban level 4 missions in highsec. i love and adore them and dont want them moved)


i fly a gank fit faction battleship with all the toys (no officer stuff though gankers). Im maxed out in that i cannot do anymore dps. my elite core skills are there and my lights and meds are also maxed out. I played for 3 days 8 hours a day as i had a lot of down time and an extended weekend and made 1.2 billion isk missioning (includes bounties, rewards and LP conversions).

questions

1. How can anything else compete with this.

2. Do you just do the other isk generating incomes while you are waiting to train up until you can blitz through missions



I have lots of dozens of BPOS that i dont use including cap ships but the rewards are not that much unless you have a massive investment and then its hassle

i can moon mine in a 0.3 but its a hassle and makes nothing compared to missions. finding and holding good planet to much hassle

PI is fun for those who enjoy carpal tunnel syndrome but its still hassle and its a small amount of isk vs mission

TECH MOONS i will give you this one, but lets be honest you dont own one.

Nullsec sanctums. are excellent but your ratting boat is not as powerful as my mission boat and you do not kill nearly as fast (Apart from those huge alliance blocks that have deep protected space but again thats the minority.

Mining = not much isk for you


3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. At the moment there are taxes and skill books and not much else.

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-10-27 22:01:45 UTC
CCP are trying to fix this issue

funny thing tho; the Goon fun with the Ice an all that, an all the other high sec gankers right now, but noone's making any effort to stop the dreaded missioners

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Kelsi Corynn
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-10-27 22:03:14 UTC
Incursions.
Jita Alt666
#4 - 2011-10-27 22:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Speculate on the markets with your massive piles of isk. The first couple of times you do it will be all you need to sink your isk.

Oh just to be smug: When you have more than duel Tengu sanctums with fighter support from a Carrier in a pos, then you can say your more boat is more powerful than mine. P
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-10-27 22:06:03 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
CCP are trying to fix this issue

funny thing tho; the Goon fun with the Ice an all that, an all the other high sec gankers right now, but noone's making any effort to stop the dreaded missioners




That really would be something if highend mission boats where being ganked all over highsec.

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-27 22:08:59 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
CCP are trying to fix this issue

funny thing tho; the Goon fun with the Ice an all that, an all the other high sec gankers right now, but noone's making any effort to stop the dreaded missioners




That really would be something if highend mission boats where being ganked all over highsec.


Thats what Im thinking. Helicity Boson gets with Goons, makes massive perma hulkageddon (lol) and at the same time ppl massively gank all the lvl 4 runners. The forums would explode from the sheer weight of the tears

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-10-27 22:12:22 UTC

That really would be something if highend mission boats where being ganked all over highsec.[/quote]

Thats what Im thinking. Helicity Boson gets with Goons, makes massive perma hulkageddon (lol) and at the same time ppl massively gank all the lvl 4 runners. The forums would explode from the sheer weight of the tears
[/quote]


Even though i would be a target i would love this if nullsec declared war on highsec mission runners, although its would be player driven content working around broken game mechanics

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
#8 - 2011-10-27 22:13:01 UTC
I would say that while there are other ways to make isk of that magnitude, most of them require pretty massive investments.

Sure, your mission ship probably costs quite a bit, but to set up lowsec reaction towers, for example, making ferrogel, assuming you bought all your materials off market, would probably make a billion profit or so per month with little effort, but the startup costs are high, and the monthly upkeep costs are high.

If, however, you were to devote the same amount of time to industry as you do in missioning, you'd probably be able to make a lot more. Time-wise, reaction towers take maybe 15-20 minutes every few days to manage, then probably an hour or two extra every two weeks for fuel, for each setup. So, if you were running like 12-15 full setups, you could potentially make 12-15b per month. This would require a massive startup cost though, and a good deal of good planning on your behalf so towers didn't go offline and weren't wasting fuel with no reactions running. I'm just pulling these numbers out of my ass, mind you. I haven't done any reactions in quite some time.

So in the end I'd say if you want to keep your isk making simple and straight-forward, then yes, level 4s are probably the best way to make isk. I do know of one person who is rather lucky with drops who makes significant isk running lowsec and 0.0 plexes solo, but it's pretty chance based, IMO. However, if you really wanted to invest isk and time, there are better ways to make isk.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#9 - 2011-10-27 22:17:46 UTC
So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk?
Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk?
You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount?

It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk?
Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions?

If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk?
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-27 22:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
non judgement wrote:
So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk?
Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk?
You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount?

It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk?
Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions?

If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk?




What are you some kind of crazy mind reader? I have not said a thing about any of that. Thanks for the first post deviod of any content.


Thanks to everyone else.

PS your avatar has the post punchable face ive seen in this game

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Jita Alt666
#11 - 2011-10-27 22:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
non judgement wrote:
So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk?
Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk?
You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount?

It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk?
Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions?

If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk?


Mind reading cap on:
I think the OP is saying
Quote:
"Ok I have done the high sec mission running grind right to the end. I earn heaps. So much that looking around at everything seems like :effort: I don't know what the point is any more. I could sit here and build an ever growing pile bigger and bigger - but I don't see the point. What is next? Please fellow forum readers give me inspiration."
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-27 22:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rath Kelbore
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
(This is not a call to ban level 4 missions in highsec. i love and adore them and dont want them moved)


i fly a gank fit faction battleship with all the toys (no officer stuff though gankers). Im maxed out in that i cannot do anymore dps. my elite core skills are there and my lights and meds are also maxed out. I played for 3 days 8 hours a day as i had a lot of down time and an extended weekend and made 1.2 billion isk missioning (includes bounties, rewards and LP conversions).

questions

1. How can anything else compete with this.

2. Do you just do the other isk generating incomes while you are waiting to train up until you can blitz through missions



I have lots of dozens of BPOS that i dont use including cap ships but the rewards are not that much unless you have a massive investment and then its hassle

i can moon mine in a 0.3 but its a hassle and makes nothing compared to missions. finding and holding good planet to much hassle

PI is fun for those who enjoy carpal tunnel syndrome but its still hassle and its a small amount of isk vs mission

TECH MOONS i will give you this one, but lets be honest you dont own one.

Nullsec sanctums. are excellent but your ratting boat is not as powerful as my mission boat and you do not kill nearly as fast (Apart from those huge alliance blocks that have deep protected space but again thats the minority.


Mining = not much isk for you


3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. At the moment there are taxes and skill books and not much else.



1. Industry and trading our far more profitable than lvl 4's even at the 50 mil an hour you've been able to reach. At least as far actual time spent doing either activity.

2. You've got it backwards, you do lvl 4's until you have enough isk to get into the other isk generating activities.


If I hated myself enough and had a large enough bankroll to do industry/trading for 8 hours a day(is there anyone reading this that does keep that busy with industry and/or trading?), much isk would be made.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Jita Alt666
#13 - 2011-10-27 22:47:05 UTC
I used to put buy orders up in Rens for Hurricanes and with an alt that had perfect refining, refine them to their basic minerals then sell the minerals for a profit.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-27 22:49:07 UTC
Missioning in high sec is boring and tedious. If people want to be masochists, let them.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2011-10-27 22:53:16 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
(This is not a call to ban level 4 missions in highsec. i love and adore them and dont want them moved)


i fly a gank fit faction battleship with all the toys (no officer stuff though gankers). Im maxed out in that i cannot do anymore dps. my elite core skills are there and my lights and meds are also maxed out. I played for 3 days 8 hours a day as i had a lot of down time and an extended weekend and made 1.2 billion isk missioning (includes bounties, rewards and LP conversions).

questions

1. How can anything else compete with this.

2. Do you just do the other isk generating incomes while you are waiting to train up until you can blitz through missions


Do Incursions.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-10-27 22:55:47 UTC

Mind reading cap on:
I think the OP is saying
Quote:
"Ok I have done the high sec mission running grind right to the end. I earn heaps. So much that looking around at everything seems like :effort: I don't know what the point is any more. I could sit here and build an ever growing pile bigger and bigger - but I don't see the point. What is next? Please fellow forum readers give me inspiration."
[/quote]


Thanks mate i think that you have it in one there

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#17 - 2011-10-27 22:58:53 UTC
Not another L4 whine. The horse was beaten to death, cloned, then beaten to death again and it is most certainly as dead as it could be.

Incursions earn more ISK, Trading in highsec earns also more ISK.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-10-27 22:59:47 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
Not another L4 whine. The horse was beaten to death, cloned, then beaten to death again and it is most certainly as dead as it could be.

Incursions earn more ISK, Trading in highsec earns also more ISK.



Not an L4 whine. Read the post before you polute this thread with you idiotic thoughts

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-10-27 23:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
(This is not a call to ban level 4 missions in highsec. i love and adore them and dont want them moved)


i fly a gank fit faction battleship with all the toys (no officer stuff though gankers). Im maxed out in that i cannot do anymore dps. my elite core skills are there and my lights and meds are also maxed out. I played for 3 days 8 hours a day as i had a lot of down time and an extended weekend and made 1.2 billion isk missioning (includes bounties, rewards and LP conversions).

questions

1. How can anything else compete with this.

2. Do you just do the other isk generating incomes while you are waiting to train up until you can blitz through missions



I have lots of dozens of BPOS that i dont use including cap ships but the rewards are not that much unless you have a massive investment and then its hassle

i can moon mine in a 0.3 but its a hassle and makes nothing compared to missions. finding and holding good planet to much hassle

PI is fun for those who enjoy carpal tunnel syndrome but its still hassle and its a small amount of isk vs mission

TECH MOONS i will give you this one, but lets be honest you dont own one.

Nullsec sanctums. are excellent but your ratting boat is not as powerful as my mission boat and you do not kill nearly as fast (Apart from those huge alliance blocks that have deep protected space but again thats the minority.

Mining = not much isk for you


3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. At the moment there are taxes and skill books and not much else.



The problem is not how much you can do playing 24/7 because you're not supposed has a normal human being to do so.

You're supposed to have some family, friends, job, studies whatsoever and "play" the game, not make a job of it like what you just did for 3 days.

If you play normally has some normal person does -about 2 hours/D is already a lot by the end of the week/month- the income is far from your numbers.

Now tell me how much one gimped Tengu or carrier in null sec ratting or cleaning anoms 23h/7 can do?
I'll tell you over 1B a day actually without salvaging/loot (some bots can do that also-skip loot) and a lot more before Sanctums nerf.

Are you sure high sec missions/missioners income need nerfs? -you should take a look where the cash flows for everyone making Eve a full time job: null sec and wh's (bots)
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-27 23:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis
I haven't used missions to make isk in years. I wouldn't say it's obsolete or out of style, but in terms of "things one alt can do to bank-roll your account(s)," missions are very much inferior to a good incursion fleet or a dilligent trader/industrialist both in profit and time required to realize that profit. I don't find the modest capital investment of either to be terrible difficut to muster. As you're pointing out there, missions are more than generous enough to provide seed money for a more passive revenue generator. Wormholes are also flush with resources to exploit, but I find them excessively tedious to operate in full-time.

Then again, if you're actually playing and enjoying the missions, more power to you. My point of view, and the reason I haven't run a mission in ages, is that missions are horrendously boring and i'll do anything to avoid them. Everything I do to "make isk," is essentially something I put up with to fund my pvp shenanigans. In most cases recently, my pvp hasn't been terribly expensive to keep up with, so I don't do much isk-making at all.
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