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Selling at a trade hub with low taxes?
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Mynutor
Myn Industries
#1 - 2013-02-27 22:12:02 UTC
I'm a miner, I started to increase my standing with the corp I'm refining my ores and learn the refining skills.

I went today to the market and I had to pay SCC tax and broker costs, when I sold my minerals. All together around 3%.
Which skills could I learn to decrease this?
Accounting, Broker relations and Negotiations I've already figured out, are there more?

Are there any other means to reduce these kind of isk sink costs?

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-02-27 22:22:32 UTC
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#3 - 2013-02-27 22:41:24 UTC
Mynutor wrote:
I'm a miner, I started to increase my standing with the corp I'm refining my ores and learn the refining skills.

I went today to the market and I had to pay SCC tax and broker costs, when I sold my minerals. All together around 3%.
Which skills could I learn to decrease this?
Accounting, Broker relations and Negotiations I've already figured out, are there more?

Are there any other means to reduce these kind of isk sink costs?


I'm not aware of the Negotiations skill helping to lower taxes or broker's fees, but if your standing with the corp in question is positive, i.e. 0.01 or higher, then you can benefit from training the Connections skill.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#4 - 2013-02-28 07:15:41 UTC
Mynutor wrote:
I'm a miner, I started to increase my standing with the corp I'm refining my ores and learn the refining skills.

I went today to the market and I had to pay SCC tax and broker costs, when I sold my minerals. All together around 3%.
Which skills could I learn to decrease this?
Accounting, Broker relations and Negotiations I've already figured out, are there more?

Are there any other means to reduce these kind of isk sink costs?


Theres two things that effect your taxes. Skills and faction standing..

Skills you listed that effec are: Accounting and broker relations.

Negotiation only effects mission rewards (isk).. Not market orders.

And higher your faction standing is,lower your sales tax becomes. Im sure you can find the formula with little google-fu.

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Legedric Striker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-28 07:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Legedric Striker
The Sales Tax may only be lowered by Accounting skill level and the lowest you can get it to is 0.5%.

The Broker Fee is affected by the Broker Relations skill level and you standing with the corp owning the station you are doing you business in.

The lowest Broker Fee is around 0.18% with the skill at level 5 and standings at 10 for the corp owning the station. As a standing of 10 is in fact not possible (as per definition how standing gains work in EVE), a good standing to aim for may be around 5.0 which may lower the fee to around 0.4% or 0.3% (I didn't calculate it).

Your standing however, is also affected by your Connections skill level, so you might want to get this to 3 or 4, too.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Thoraemond/eve-market-order-broker-fees-20110417.png

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#6 - 2013-02-28 07:48:09 UTC
Legedric Striker wrote:

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Thoraemond/eve-market-order-broker-fees-20110417.png


This Chart.
I believe it´s outdated, though, CCP raised the trading taxes "recently" (to "keep the economy healthy", har har)

Basically besides getting the Accounting and Broker Relation skills up you want to have as high standing as possible with both the Corp that owns the station you are trading in and the Faction.

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Mynutor
Myn Industries
#7 - 2013-02-28 09:33:06 UTC
Thanks for the answers! Smile

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Abus Finkel
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#8 - 2013-02-28 14:50:24 UTC
Legedric Striker wrote:
The Sales Tax may only be lowered by Accounting skill level and the lowest you can get it to is 0.5%.

The Broker Fee is affected by the Broker Relations skill level and you standing with the corp owning the station you are doing you business in.

The lowest Broker Fee is around 0.18% with the skill at level 5 and standings at 10 for the corp owning the station. As a standing of 10 is in fact not possible (as per definition how standing gains work in EVE), a good standing to aim for may be around 5.0 which may lower the fee to around 0.4% or 0.3% (I didn't calculate it).

Your standing however, is also affected by your Connections skill level, so you might want to get this to 3 or 4, too.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Thoraemond/eve-market-order-broker-fees-20110417.png

Connections has no influence on broker fees. It's raw standings that count.
Bitter Fremlin
Heimatar Enhanced Fleet Industries
#9 - 2013-02-28 16:17:25 UTC
Legedric Striker wrote:
The Sales Tax may only be lowered by Accounting skill level and the lowest you can get it to is 0.5%.


How so? Base tax rate is 1.5%, Accounting reduces that by 10% per level (although, unlike most skills, it seems to be 10% of the unmodified amount per level -- ie. 0.15). So Accounting 5 gets you a tax rate of 1.5-(5*0.15) = 0.75%

Is there another skill I'm missing?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-28 20:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
If you are trying to sell or buy items, but don't like the prices offered to you, you can set up orders. This can be either for buying or selling. To buy an item you use the Place buy order button. For this you will have to pay a broker's fee, which is 0.9% of the order price or a minimum of 100 ISK. You can also set a quantity, the minimum amount of units someone selling would have to fill in, the range you are willing to travel (requires skills), the price and the duration. The duration of your order doesn't influence the broker's fee. The ISK you would have to pay when the buy order got filled will be taken from your wallet immediately. If you cancel the order or if it times out, the ISK will be transferred back to your wallet. However, the broker's fee will not be refunded.

Sale orders work pretty much the same - you need to right-click on the item you want to sell and select sell item. Either you sell immediately, which means you don't pay a broker's fee, or you use the advanced button to the bottom-right. That way you can enter an ask price, the duration and the quantity. However, in this case you will have to pay the broker's fee. Additionally there is a sales tax of 1.5% on any sales - sell orders or direct sales. Those are not refundable but always remain the same, regardless of the duration of the order. The item you are trying to sell will get taken out of your hangar immediately and returned if the order times out or you cancel it in the My Orders tab by right-clicking on it. Here you can also edit any orders you have up by right-clicking on them.


Broker fee formula:

BrokerFee % = (1.000 % – 0.050 % × BrokerRelationsSkillLevel) / 2 ^ (0.1400 × FactionStanding + 0.06000 × CorporationStanding)

Source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Market_guide

EDIT: And yes, the standings are raw standings (so without the modification of any social skills).

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