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Making Lowsec More Dynamic......... which is good for everybody.

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Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-10-27 21:35:05 UTC
Dro Nee wrote:
Satav wrote:
I am of the firm belief that a good measure of the health of eve is the health of lowsec activity and piracy.

I have been reading over the forums for the last several weeks and have notice several people complaining about how there seems to be a lack of population/activity in lowsec other than going to empire from 0.0 or vice versa.



So let me get this straight.....

1) lowsec health is determined by number of forum threads regarding population
2) Lowsec health = significant part of EVE health

Logically:

EVE is healthy when there are very few forum threads about lowsec population/activity being insufficient.


1)This is a forum thread about how to increase lowsec population/activity.
2)Needing an increase implies that there is currently insufficient quantity.
3) Therefore, this is a forum thread about lowsec population/activity being insufficient.

4) You are killing EVE by posting.


So you're saying that if i don't post then that means that there isn't a problem? lol. not logical.

Yes, people posting in frequency about something means that there is or might be a problem.

But, not posting about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Check your logic at the door plz.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#22 - 2011-10-27 21:59:05 UTC
How about we allow pilots to enter into the militia of pirate factions. Such as Angels, Sansha, Blood Raiders etc etc. This could by proxy be a boost to Faction Warfare as well. We can already run missions for them but If we could also join their militia and have the rewards scale accordingly to your actions this might give low-sec the population it so desperately needs.

Oderint Dum Metuant

Dro Nee
#23 - 2011-10-27 22:26:29 UTC
Satav wrote:
Dro Nee wrote:
Satav wrote:
I am of the firm belief that a good measure of the health of eve is the health of lowsec activity and piracy.

I have been reading over the forums for the last several weeks and have notice several people complaining about how there seems to be a lack of population/activity in lowsec other than going to empire from 0.0 or vice versa.



So let me get this straight.....

1) lowsec health is determined by number of forum threads regarding population
2) Lowsec health = significant part of EVE health

Logically:

EVE is healthy when there are very few forum threads about lowsec population/activity being insufficient.


1)This is a forum thread about how to increase lowsec population/activity.
2)Needing an increase implies that there is currently insufficient quantity.
3) Therefore, this is a forum thread about lowsec population/activity being insufficient.

4) You are killing EVE by posting.


So you're saying that if i don't post then that means that there isn't a problem? lol. not logical.

Yes, people posting in frequency about something means that there is or might be a problem.

But, not posting about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Check your logic at the door plz.


Just because something has been put on the internet does not mean it it true. I would assume you agree with that right?

If you do agree, then either you have verified the claims yourself (which means you do not need to rely upon others forum posts) OR the posts themselves are harmful regardless of truth/falsehood.

Since you did rely on others posts, it would be only charitable for me to give you the stronger argument which is that the posts in and of themselves are harmful.

If posts are themselves harmful, and this is a post, then this is harmful in and of itself.
So my argument that you were harming EVE was legitimate.

Now that I understand that you have not actually verified the claims by living and fighting in lowsec for any stretch of time.....
Here is what I would suggest:

Go to the archived forums and start researching when "LOWSEC IS SOOOOOO EMPTY!!!!" threads first appeared. Then look at historical growth rates and patterns of EVE. I think you find your initial "belief" is not justifiable in an empiracle manner.

Second go back and read all the pages of all the lowsec population whines with a specific eye towards the arguments for and against. If you read carefully you will find that the conclusion that "lowsec....it haz no p3ople!!" is logically dubious (assuming there even is an argument put forward and the author did not just regurgitate drivel that he consumed from other peoples forum posts).

Or you could... you know... just move there.

If it is as empty as your sources say, then you should be able to PVE in pimp boats with little to no worry.
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#24 - 2011-10-27 22:28:43 UTC
Low sec population is fine from my recent observations. I think it's fueled by healthy factional warfare pvp... which is having some improvement changes next expansion to attract even more pilots... sooo problem solved?

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-10-27 22:58:22 UTC
Xoria Krint wrote:
Or... We just remove all level 4 agents in high-sec?

Ya think?

They got L5's with massive payouts in lowsec/0.0 and very few do them. Even less since Tengus sig got nerfed.

Move 4's and they'll just quit or go do Incursions.

Move Incursions, they'll just quit.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]

Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-27 23:10:40 UTC
Wow, sorry thats a really good idea, a smattering of uncontrolled 0.0 island sytems in lowsec for us to murder each other over, assuming non of the big alliances snap em up, that would be awsome. +1 Best idea i have read in ages. I am howevera highsec noob, so my knowledge of null sec is limited atm.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-10-27 23:21:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Another "bring LVL4's to low sec, people will come how can you EVEn think they will not, it's so obvious" thread

EDIT: Ho and null pockets... you know there are already a lot of empty systems in null sec, you should go there and live in. Problem solved.
Zircon Dasher
#28 - 2011-10-27 23:58:25 UTC
I am confused. Why do they have to be islands? If you made more empire-->0.0 gates wouldn't that do the same thing?

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Captain Alcatraz
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-10-28 00:13:03 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Xoria Krint wrote:
Or... We just remove all level 4 agents in high-sec?

Ya think?

They got L5's with massive payouts in lowsec/0.0 and very few do them. Even less since Tengus sig got nerfed.

Move 4's and they'll just quit or go do Incursions.

Move Incursions, they'll just quit.


sad *******
Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-10-28 16:40:41 UTC
If they are island they will ripple effects out and like gravity drag stuff to them, high sec trade, low sec pirates all will be drawn in + in small islands people will want to get in past the gate camps making theose balck ops ships really shine. Also i think hopefully by being small you would have less capitals.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-28 16:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Xoria Krint wrote:
Famble wrote:

Oh there'd be a population change from high-sec alright but those people would be moving to other-game-sec.
Think about that.

Some of them, maybe. But that's not our problem.

for some months yea, this will be not YOUR problem. But then you will occasioanlly see message "Couln't connect to server" forever.....

Think about that (if you can)

to OP: i think you have interesting ideas. Not sure if "pirates will love to gate camp" == "more action in low-sec" tho....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

MissBee
STA'IN
#32 - 2011-10-28 16:55:59 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
A few of these island nullsec systems in lowsec could work but I dont think it should become a feature. Especially if those systems were be controlled by players because this would only make nullsec alliances take over lowsec as well. This would mean more supercaps and more senseless blobbing which would not do lowsec any good.
That's how I see it anyways.

edit:

NPC controlled island nullsec systems would still make it awfully easy for lowsec pirates to pirate without taking a sec hit and rat their sec back up after pirating in a lowsec system.


Make them NPC systems but with Cynosural Suppression by default - no caps 0.0.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-10-28 17:45:55 UTC
If your going to reorganize the map, you might as well do what was suggested eons ago, which is invert the current layout.

Make all null-sec be in the center of the map, all the regions touching each other. Have low-sec as is (between high and null) and highsec on the outset. This would make high sec industry very difficult as moving something from a now Amarr to a now Jita -like system would be a collosal pain in the *ss and cost ineffective. This would also drive 0.0 and low industry up, and would infact give a pretty large industry boost in general, since the most complicated part would be the logistics.

Carebears still get to carebear, miners get to mine, pirates continue as usual and null becomes what it is meant to be, a sh*tfest.

Only problem would be the process of actually changing the map layout so significantly, which makes the idea of creating new space in itself pretty much impossible.

If I had a real suggestion it would be to nearly double the size of the map and just place new null systems in the center with new low's to spread it all out. But thats just a thought.

I has all the eve inactivity

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