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Here it starts... First gaming tablet hitting market...

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Radamant Nemess
Remnants of War
#61 - 2013-02-27 12:53:31 UTC
1000 bucks for 10 inches? Hahahahaaaa... no, i don`t think so.

i can fail at any speed you like

Lexmana
#62 - 2013-02-27 12:58:23 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Who needs a mouse and keyboard, right?

When i get on the train in the morning, all the girls are gonna think i'm so cool when they seem me with this Cool

Irony is difficult on the internet.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-02-27 13:03:20 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Who needs a mouse and keyboard, right?

When i get on the train in the morning, all the girls are gonna think i'm so cool when they seem me with this Cool

Irony is difficult on the internet.

The real irony is that the new stuff coming out, such as "GAMING TABLETS" are in fact much worse, technically, but also ergonomically, than our old PCs.

And they cost as much, if not more.
Bellatren Star
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-02-27 13:08:34 UTC
Oh wow would love to own one of the top of the line models!

Bellatren Star: - "I have absolutly no idea what's on the other side of that NullSec gate but i'm going to jump my Freighter in anyway! #YOLO!." - Just some provi guy

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#65 - 2013-02-27 13:13:09 UTC
Sooo… it's like a MacBook Air only much much less convenient?
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-02-27 13:19:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sooo… it's like a MacBook Air only much much less convenient?


macbook air, most awesome game computer ever....
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-02-27 13:26:01 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Lupus Borealis wrote:

That ridiculous keyboard gets under 7% fail rate after 3 hours of use. Pretty nice from product that isnt even close to be released.

That's not possible. It's not even possible to move one's fingers that precisely without tactile feedback even if the tech to measure it existed. Let's see some proof. Even in the unlikely event that it is true, my physical keyboard gets a 0% fail rate after well over 6 hours. It also costs less and doesn't make you look silly.


My keyboard has about a 30% fail rate whenever I need to use the 'I' 'O' and 'P' keys, because the letters have all rubbed off, and its guesswork if I'm hitting the right one half of the time. **** knows how I would even write my name with some invisible keyboard Shocked
TheBlueMonkey
Argent Gladius
Hole Tanking
#68 - 2013-02-27 13:29:42 UTC
I wonder how long it'll take to ware through the screen if you were playing on it without the special needs cradle.

That's the good thing about desktops\laptops, a part breaks, you can replace it easily....laptops less so but you get what I mean.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-02-27 13:34:52 UTC
right clicking on tablet seems fun
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#70 - 2013-02-27 13:46:22 UTC
Lupus Borealis wrote:
The old desktop PC will be gone in less than 5 years.
I've been hearing this for the last 10 years.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-02-27 13:48:24 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Lupus Borealis wrote:
The old desktop PC will be gone in less than 5 years.
I've been hearing this for the last 10 years.


They have been reduced in number, maybe another 5 years will do it...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#72 - 2013-02-27 13:49:33 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sooo… it's like a MacBook Air only much much less convenient?

macbook air, most awesome game computer ever....

Well, hey, EVE runs on them, so obviouslyP
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#73 - 2013-02-27 13:57:19 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Baconarious Caesar wrote:
Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, "in the old days", when people said... No way I'm giving up VHS! Disks are stupid,trendy, and won't last...P


Pretty sure no one said that about VHS.

Pretty sure the second people realized that with DVD you didn't get that annoying hiss you used to get from VHS they started flying off the shelves.

People did indeed turn up their nose at DVD's at first, as many were convinced it would never catch on and become main stream, DVD players were expensive at the time, and people were amused that you could not easily record shows to them (which many thought of as a huge step backwards).

Higher video and audio quality was not considered to be the end all be all argument, as Beta Max was superior to VHS in all ways, yet it folded to an inferior quality product (VHS).

Isn't it funny how we shape history to fit our current reality. Smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#74 - 2013-02-27 14:04:59 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Baconarious Caesar wrote:
Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, "in the old days", when people said... No way I'm giving up VHS! Disks are stupid,trendy, and won't last...P


Pretty sure no one said that about VHS.

Pretty sure the second people realized that with DVD you didn't get that annoying hiss you used to get from VHS they started flying off the shelves.

People did indeed turn up their nose at DVD's at first, as many were convinced it would never catch on and become main stream, DVD players were expensive at the time, and people were amused that you could not easily record shows to them (which many thought of as a huge step backwards).

Higher video and audio quality was not considered to be the end all be all argument, as Beta Max was superior to VHS in all ways, yet it folded to an inferior quality product (VHS).

Isn't it funny how we shape history to fit our current reality. Smile
…and anyway, what sold DVDs to the general public was the Playstation 2.
Those nasty ebil good-for-nothing consoles!! Evil
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#75 - 2013-02-27 14:10:04 UTC
Now this would be interesting for EvE (or many other games), picture this.

You have your gaming PC and two or three nice large monitors (or perhaps your wall mounted wide screen TV) as your main system.

Main control remains keyboard and mouse (wireless).

But additionally you have your gaming tablet to the side or perhaps at a rather flat angle. On the tablet you have all of the interfaces, chat channels, inventory screens, coms, etc. that you would prefer not cluttering your main monitors... the things that it would be handy to move around, select and interact with on a touch screen.

I could also see the "Gaming Dock" being handy for FSP, especially if they did two things.

1: Make the Gaming Pad motion sensitive so that the game responds to how you move, turn and angle the pad itself... as well as to the twin game controller grips to either side.

2: Make the Gaming Dock have a heavy duty full motion pivot, so that the Game Pads weight was no longer a factor and allowed the twisting and turning motions mentioned above. FPS or Flight Sims would be a lot of fun on such a setup.

Baby steps, people, baby steps. Smile

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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-02-27 15:55:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
Baconarious Caesar wrote:
Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, "in the old days", when people said... No way I'm giving up VHS! Disks are stupid,trendy, and won't last...P

In my defense, when I said that I was talking about Laser Discs and I was right.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken

Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#77 - 2013-02-27 16:09:16 UTC
"...available for pre-order starting March 1st for $999 and up."
"1366 x 768 pixel display"
"Prices for the tablet alone can go as high as $1449..."

No full HD 1920x1080? Crack pipe price.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#78 - 2013-02-27 16:13:31 UTC
Lupus Borealis wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Tablets are a ****** interface for gaming, to be completely frank. They could start a new, console-like market, with subgenres of games built to operate on simple control schemes on a touch-screen interface, but they aren't going to replace PCs.

The mouse + keyboard combination is pretty much ideal for gaming. It allows an absolutely massive number of buttons to be immediately accessible, and doesn't involve time-consuming gestures or anything of the like. That, and a PC can be high-performance with little worry about overheating. Cases are spacious and generally designed for ideal airflow. Tablets have to be extremely slim by design, meaning closely packed together components. This means anything taking full advantage of the hardware is going to put that hardware at risk during extended use.


I'll dare say the unspeakable: EVE is a close to ideal game for touch screen displays, as most of the interface functions on a point and click or drag and drop interaction. More swipes, less buttons and you're pretty much there. (Un)fortunately, the interface was never designed for small screens, which makes tablets suboptimal for actual gameplay, where loads of information needs to be presented on the same page. Had the UI been rewritten, it would work great, but it's not worth the resources considering other limitations of today's application of said screens.

Tldr: don't think in terms of what's available today. Less than a decade ago, few considered smartphone market and tablets were a failed sideproduct of notebook miniaturization attempts. Today, the world is changed. Imagine what we could have in another decade...

Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.


Bwahahahahaha.

No. touchscreens force you to *block part of the screen during use*, limit you to 1-2 inputs at a time, and have a minimum selection size (size of a fingertip). It is an inferior input design.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#79 - 2013-02-27 16:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Lupus Borealis wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Tablets are a ****** interface for gaming, to be completely frank. They could start a new, console-like market, with subgenres of games built to operate on simple control schemes on a touch-screen interface, but they aren't going to replace PCs.

The mouse + keyboard combination is pretty much ideal for gaming. It allows an absolutely massive number of buttons to be immediately accessible, and doesn't involve time-consuming gestures or anything of the like. That, and a PC can be high-performance with little worry about overheating. Cases are spacious and generally designed for ideal airflow. Tablets have to be extremely slim by design, meaning closely packed together components. This means anything taking full advantage of the hardware is going to put that hardware at risk during extended use.


I'll dare say the unspeakable: EVE is a close to ideal game for touch screen displays, as most of the interface functions on a point and click or drag and drop interaction. More swipes, less buttons and you're pretty much there. (Un)fortunately, the interface was never designed for small screens, which makes tablets suboptimal for actual gameplay, where loads of information needs to be presented on the same page. Had the UI been rewritten, it would work great, but it's not worth the resources considering other limitations of today's application of said screens.

Tldr: don't think in terms of what's available today. Less than a decade ago, few considered smartphone market and tablets were a failed sideproduct of notebook miniaturization attempts. Today, the world is changed. Imagine what we could have in another decade...

Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.


Bwahahahahaha.

No. touchscreens force you to *block part of the screen during use*, limit you to 1-2 inputs at a time, and have a minimum selection size (size of a fingertip). It is an inferior input design.


For actively selecting small targets, yes I agree.

However for most applications it is fine, especially when moving/selecting icons or text boxes around. Thus for many purposes, even in EvE or other games, a touch screen is practical and intuitive for many aspects of the game play... often superior to a mouse.

To be honest the best game interface (in many cases) would allow for mouse/keyboard "and" touch screen control... and a game controller or joystick would not go amiss in many games. Hybrid control interfaces are not far off, and frankly it won't be long before simple monitors without touch screen capability will be relegated to the budget bin. of your local electronics store.

Sure, in many situations you won't use it over keyboard/mouse... but as software (and as we can see, operating systems) become more touch screen friendly it will become a normal option.

Keep in mind we also have a whole new generation of consumers growing up right now that find using a touch screen on a phone or tablet to be as natural a breathing. Manufacturers are realizing this, and we are just now starting to fully see the impact on new products of all types.

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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#80 - 2013-02-27 16:35:57 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Lupus Borealis wrote:

Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.


When touch screens solve the issues of

1) my finger being in the way
2) marks on the screen
3) mechanical resistance

I'll happily use them, otherwise, I hates them sooooo much


A precision Teflon-tipped stylus would solve all three.

I have no idea why touchscreens went from stylus (think Palm Pilots) to fingers. Far less accurate.