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Wardec v.s. Bot Miner Corp

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#21 - 2013-02-27 13:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Rex Aparte wrote:
Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check


The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all.

The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point.

War decs do not and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-02-27 13:28:17 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
[quote=Rex Aparte]The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all.

The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point.

War decs have and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says.


This is incorrect, read the definition. Wars are between corp and alliance entities not players.

forums.  serious business.
Whitehound
#23 - 2013-02-27 13:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
You've unfortunately stumbled upon the problems of corp hopping during war decs and npc corps in general.

Good luck trying to get CCP to fix them, we've been trying for years :(

They have fixed it in so far that a corporation will take a war with them if they were in an alliance.

However, there should not be any mechanic stopping players from going back into an NPC corporation, because it will only lead to a play style where this becomes a method for making players quit.

...

Better learn to know when you have won, because it is essential for not being a loser.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-02-27 13:37:34 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Rex Aparte wrote:
Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check


The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all.

The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point.

War decs do not and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says.



Is butthurt that the weak people he wardecs, can get out of said wardecs. - check

You're missing my point entirely. Wardec whoever the hell you want. Just don't cry about it when the mining corp you wardecced surprisingly doesn't want to fight you! Wardeccing those corps is an option, but not the point. If you wardec someone who doesn't want to fight you, expect to be disappointed.

Who's the real carebear? The guy who uses game mechanics to his advantage, or the guy who cries on the forums about not being able to do whatever he wants, without a counter?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-02-27 13:45:43 UTC
Rex Aparte wrote:
Who's the real carebear? The guy who uses game mechanics to his advantage, or the guy who cries on the forums about not being able to do whatever he wants, without a counter?


I'll say the guy whining when ccp fixes corp jumping is the real carebear.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-02-27 13:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
dexington wrote:
Rex Aparte wrote:
Who's the real carebear? The guy who uses game mechanics to his advantage, or the guy who cries on the forums about not being able to do whatever he wants, without a counter?


I'll say the guy whining when ccp fixes corp jumping is the real carebear.



Assumes CCP agrees with his views on the game - check

There will always be a counter. Cry all you want, I'll get some tissues. Snip. Rumor trolling is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith

Edit: I'll go one step further and explain it. Here is the definition of a carebear: A carebear is a person who knows what the counter is but refuses to use it. Doesn't tank his mining vessel (doesn't buy a permit), doesn't check dscan, doesn't scout, etc etc on and on.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2013-02-27 13:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Wow. I could have typed the same OP in relation to 2 groups of miners out here in 'nowhere Ammatar'.

CCP is condoning this idiotic behavior because they are Boxing, not Botting. But it indeed has the same ultimate destructive effect on the game. EVE is becoming crowded, and the startling lack of resources and things to do for the industrialist that has developed over the past 8 months or so, is not a great way to retain players.

New players choosing the Industrial career path will eventually unsubscribe do to boredom caused by these botters AND boxers sucking up an unbalanced amount of resources.


Edit: 2 typos. When I'm angry I typo.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-02-27 13:57:44 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
Rex Aparte wrote:
I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar.


I'm not sure we are playing the same game, eve online is supposedly taking place in a cold and harsh universe, it should be possible to wardec player run corporations.

you have wardecs. enjoy.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-02-27 14:07:21 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
Rex Aparte wrote:
I find it so funny that people are a. proud of their "wardecs" and b. surprised when their foe doesn't want to fight, and cry about it all day long on the forums. As someone smarter than me said, go ahead and wardec the best hisec merc alliance. I guarantee you they won't try and get out of it. But then again, that won't give you the easymode free kills you're looking for. Then it would you docking up and dissolving your corp instantly. Cry. Moar.


I'm not sure we are playing the same game, eve online is supposedly taking place in a cold and harsh universe, it should be possible to wardec player run corporations.

you have wardecs. enjoy.


It's nothing more then a corporation dueling option, where you are allowed to refuse the invitation.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-02-27 14:37:04 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Rex Aparte wrote:
Thinks the point of wardecs are for mining or indy or noob corps - check


The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all.

you already can fight anyone you want in high-sec. Just turn your switchers to RED and have fun

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Whitehound
#31 - 2013-02-27 14:42:04 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
EVE is becoming crowded, and the startling lack of resources and things to do for the industrialist that has developed over the past 8 months or so, is not a great way to retain players.

I agree with you as far as EVE is getting crowded. EVE is now back at the player numbers it used to be 2 years ago.

This means the resources will become thinner, but we only have been living in fat times when it comes to the size and number of untouched belts.

The price for Tritanium used to be as low as 3-4 ISKs not too long ago and only now with the increased player numbers beginning with December is the price for it slowly decreasing again. It is just a few weeks ago when one could sell billions of Tritanium for more than 6 ISKs per unit. The price is slowly decreasing and it is staying below the 6 ISKs mark now.

If there was a shortage in minerals then this would not be possible, but the price would continue to increase and run off. Rather is the demand now being met. Once the mineral prices drop further will the amount of mining find a balance of its own.

TL;DR: The economy is in full swing and a few wheels are squeaking and aching to underline its awesome performance.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-02-27 14:53:35 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
The price for Tritanium used to be as low as 3-4 ISKs not too long ago and only now with the increased player numbers beginning with December is the price for it slowly decreasing again. It is just a few weeks ago when one could sell billions of Tritanium for more than 6 ISKs per unit. The price is slowly decreasing and it is staying below the 6 ISKs mark now.


3-4 isk trit has not been seen since the end or 2011 start of 2012, that was when the trit prices started to grow, and was in the last quarter of 2012 the sell price started to stabilized around 6 to 6.3.

But the supply also seemed to stabilize, which would explain why the price did the same.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
GreenSeed
#33 - 2013-02-27 15:05:12 UTC
say a player cant run from a wardec, when is the war over? is it when he cant undock anymore? and if so, hows that any different from griefing?

eve is a cold harsh place, but griefing will get you banned.
Whitehound
#34 - 2013-02-27 15:09:26 UTC
dexington wrote:
3-4 isk trit has not been seen since the end or 2011 start of 2012, that was when the trit prices started to grow, and was in the last quarter of 2012 the sell price started to stabilized around 6 to 6.3.

But the supply also seemed to stabilize, which would explain why the price did the same.

When you look at the volumes for Tritanium in The Forge (Jita) then you will see a small increase in the volumes, which runs pretty much in parallel with the player numbers as seen on Chribba's EVE-Offline website. One can see the increase in volume either in the market history when in The Forge or in the 180-day history on EVE-Markets.net.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#35 - 2013-02-27 15:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Deal with facts.

1) CCP don't want you to PVP in high sec.
Source from CCP and proof.
A)Mining barge buff
B) Boomerang manouvre closed
C) Constant switching of War dec Mechanics in favour of defender
D) Ability for defenders to drop corp/allince during war decs
E) The cost of war Decs and the fact the price goes up on bigger entities (makes zero sense)
F) Orca ship transfers nerfed in high
G) Global flag system for looting ect, ect...

Snip. Botting is against the EULA, and encouraging rule-breaking behavior (such as botting) is against the ToS. -- ISD LackOfFaith
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-02-27 15:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
William Cane wrote:
Further more I know that Bot Reports have been filed on all 4 of these 'players', but nothing has been done as of yet. But they are all now in Default NPC Corps back out Bot mining away, even as I type this, with no way to stop them.

The only way to interfere with them is suicide ganking. Wardecs are effectively useless, because anyone can immediately drop out of a corporation to avoid it.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#37 - 2013-02-27 15:39:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Wow. I could have typed the same OP in relation to 2 groups of miners out here in 'nowhere Ammatar'.

CCP is condoning this idiotic behavior because they are Boxing, not Botting. But it indeed has the same ultimate destructive effect on the game. EVE is becoming crowded, and the startling lack of resources and things to do for the industrialist that has developed over the past 8 months or so, is not a great way to retain players.

New players choosing the Industrial career path will eventually unsubscribe do to boredom caused by these botters AND boxers sucking up an unbalanced amount of resources.


Edit: 2 typos. When I'm angry I typo.


For me it's meant it's often easier to just buy the minerals for my limited manufacturing than mine them myself
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2013-02-27 15:53:55 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Wow. I could have typed the same OP in relation to 2 groups of miners out here in 'nowhere Ammatar'.

CCP is condoning this idiotic behavior because they are Boxing, not Botting. But it indeed has the same ultimate destructive effect on the game. EVE is becoming crowded, and the startling lack of resources and things to do for the industrialist that has developed over the past 8 months or so, is not a great way to retain players.

New players choosing the Industrial career path will eventually unsubscribe do to boredom caused by these botters AND boxers sucking up an unbalanced amount of resources.


Edit: 2 typos. When I'm angry I typo.


For me it's meant it's often easier to just buy the minerals for my limited manufacturing than mine them myself



So what ?

Someone has to get them, or did you forget that little part of the equation ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-02-27 17:25:18 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Whitehound wrote:
dexington wrote:
3-4 isk trit has not been seen since the end or 2011 start of 2012, that was when the trit prices started to grow, and was in the last quarter of 2012 the sell price started to stabilized around 6 to 6.3.

But the supply also seemed to stabilize, which would explain why the price did the same.

When you look at the volumes for Tritanium in The Forge (Jita) then you will see a small increase in the volumes, which runs pretty much in parallel with the player numbers as seen on Chribba's EVE-Offline website. One can see the increase in volume either in the market history when in The Forge or in the 180-day history on EVE-Markets.net.


Try setting the history to 540 days on eve-markets.net.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-02-27 17:32:53 UTC
William Cane wrote:
Further more I know that Bot Reports have been filed on all 4 of these 'players', but nothing has been done as of yet. But they are all now in Default NPC Corps back out Bot mining away, even as I type this, with no way to stop them.


Man up and gank them.

Or pay someone that will.

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