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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-02-27 03:32:47 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
Good luck trying to play Eve on that.

Eve != Nintendo


would be great for dust.... except for bunnies.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#42 - 2013-02-27 04:05:58 UTC
Lupus Borealis wrote:
For example Google is developing system where you can type, without keyboad. Just type air with your fingers. The system recognizes only those finger movements that are the same when typing on keyboard.

There are dozens of different applications coming out in few years, that can enable gaming without real gaming pad, mouse or keyboard.

Tablet gaming will be handheld gaming, but it's just one new way of gaming.

Question is, how may old games can evolve into the future and stay alive in new platforms and systems?


that whole typing in air using specific movement recognition is already flawed. No one does things exactly the same as the next person. So the tech who tells the system what "typing on keyboard" looks like, will be the only human on the planet to use that system, cause the next person along will inevitably have differences in motion and action.

I'd never use a tablet for gaming, i think they are pointless except for maybe emails and that sort of "work" stuff on the go. For games? no. motion sensing movement? so you have to prop it up against something stand back and jiggle? how big is this tablet? it will have to be huge to see the screen, too big to reasonably carry, unless you are meant to squint at the screen whilst jiggling and twitching trying to make it do... whatever - unless it can somehow read all your motions from half a meter away
Baconarious Caesar
Alberta Gold
#43 - 2013-02-27 04:25:36 UTC
Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, "in the old days", when people said... No way I'm giving up VHS! Disks are stupid,trendy, and won't last...P
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#44 - 2013-02-27 06:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
I saw inches i saw resolution i saw processor speed and ram

After i saw those things i noticed price and did a facepalm.

It need more raw power under the hood for me to even consider using it....it doesn't need handles LOL it doesn't need screen at all..what it need to do is to have tv / monitor output and mouse and keyboard connection.

OMG i just realized i don't need tablet what so ever!..i need more like small cube with fusion reactor and tv out.keyboard mouse. :P

Edit...

WTF they laterally glued 2 joystick on tablet and called it "gaming" dear god.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Lupus Borealis
The Lupus Borealis
#45 - 2013-02-27 09:08:14 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
Lupus Borealis wrote:
For example Google is developing system where you can type, without keyboad. Just type air with your fingers. The system recognizes only those finger movements that are the same when typing on keyboard.

There are dozens of different applications coming out in few years, that can enable gaming without real gaming pad, mouse or keyboard.

Tablet gaming will be handheld gaming, but it's just one new way of gaming.

Question is, how may old games can evolve into the future and stay alive in new platforms and systems?


that whole typing in air using specific movement recognition is already flawed. No one does things exactly the same as the next person. So the tech who tells the system what "typing on keyboard" looks like, will be the only human on the planet to use that system, cause the next person along will inevitably have differences in motion and action.

I'd never use a tablet for gaming, i think they are pointless except for maybe emails and that sort of "work" stuff on the go. For games? no. motion sensing movement? so you have to prop it up against something stand back and jiggle? how big is this tablet? it will have to be huge to see the screen, too big to reasonably carry, unless you are meant to squint at the screen whilst jiggling and twitching trying to make it do... whatever - unless it can somehow read all your motions from half a meter away

LOL....

That keyboard learns while you type. The more you type with it, more it recognizes YOUR finger movements.

I do normal officework, including huge spreadsheets with tablet. I only have docking station and bluetooth keyboard for huge files. You would be surprised how handy touchpen is with spreadsheets. Also I can connect to my HP WIFI printer via wifi and print like from mac/linux/windows PC. And it sure is awesome to show slideshow wirelessly from your tablet to big screen.

I have played Civ5 tablet version with W8 pro tablet and it was great. It looked as awesome as in normal PC. Tablets do have same power as laptops, even more.

And the cold fact, most of PC gamers already at these days are using laptop. The old desktop PC will be gone in less than 5 years. Todays high end laptops are enough for even the heaviest work with computer, like 3d modeling, photoshop and programming. Our team is using HP's high end laptops, but large portion of it is already transferred to tablets. They are just much more viable for moving office work.

Our team doing outdoor stuff is using tablets with waterproof covers, doing their work even in heaviest rainfall. Not a chance to get laptops to work in those conditions. Well, there are some, but they aren't just cost effective.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#46 - 2013-02-27 09:22:00 UTC
this should be in Out Of Pod Experience, not EVE General Discussion.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-02-27 09:32:44 UTC
I'd love one.....

If it came with a mouse, keyboard, 24" screen, wasn't touch screen and I could use if comfortably at my desk.

I'm assuming that thing is in a cradle? Other wise it just looks really special needs.
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#48 - 2013-02-27 09:35:38 UTC
I can finally steer my ship with the double headbang on the screen!

But why would somone buy such a device, with it being one of the newest products in its field flaws upon release will only be found and then a month after initial release there will be an updated version with less bug's

/P

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-02-27 09:35:50 UTC
Baconarious Caesar wrote:
Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, "in the old days", when people said... No way I'm giving up VHS! Disks are stupid,trendy, and won't last...P


Pretty sure no one said that about VHS.

Pretty sure the second people realized that with DVD you didn't get that annoying hiss you used to get from VHS they started flying off the shelves.
Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-02-27 10:59:39 UTC
Hey Ramiel, I know you're reading this thread. Please take Baltec by the hand, come in here and write walls of text about how gaming on tablets is a joke and will never happen in a million years.
kurg
Order of the Divine Shadow
#51 - 2013-02-27 11:26:00 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
(...)
Anyway, tablets will never live up to the standards of a PC.


This just shows how much natural selection continues to plague Eve, all i can say is Geez with a /double_facepalm
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-02-27 11:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Clone 77777
Lupus Borealis wrote:
[quote=Aramatheia]Tablets do have same power as laptops, even more.

And the cold fact, most of PC gamers already at these days are using laptop. The old desktop PC will be gone in less than 5 years. Todays high end laptops are enough for even the heaviest work with computer, like 3d modeling, photoshop and programming. Our team is using HP's high end laptops, but large portion of it is already transferred to tablets. They are just much more viable for moving office work.

Our team doing outdoor stuff is using tablets with waterproof covers, doing their work even in heaviest rainfall. Not a chance to get laptops to work in those conditions. Well, there are some, but they aren't just cost effective.



Tablets do not have the same power as a laptop, and a PC can be much more powerful than a laptop.
Laptops are still computers, theyre just smaller and more mobile. They still work with a mouse and keyboard, but theyre less powerfull than a PC.
I have both, go figure.
Also tablets WERE MADE for actual work like you described, the idiots just figured they might aswell make them a gimmick aswell and so decided to do "GAMING" advertisement for it.

EDIT: Kurg "This just shows how much natural selection continues to plague Eve, all i can say is Geez with a /double_facepalm"
The current "tablets" we see wont, guess this just shows how stupid some people in EVE are.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-02-27 11:53:20 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Tablets are a ****** interface for gaming, to be completely frank. They could start a new, console-like market, with subgenres of games built to operate on simple control schemes on a touch-screen interface, but they aren't going to replace PCs.

The mouse + keyboard combination is pretty much ideal for gaming. It allows an absolutely massive number of buttons to be immediately accessible, and doesn't involve time-consuming gestures or anything of the like. That, and a PC can be high-performance with little worry about overheating. Cases are spacious and generally designed for ideal airflow. Tablets have to be extremely slim by design, meaning closely packed together components. This means anything taking full advantage of the hardware is going to put that hardware at risk during extended use.


I'll dare say the unspeakable: EVE is a close to ideal game for touch screen displays, as most of the interface functions on a point and click or drag and drop interaction. More swipes, less buttons and you're pretty much there. (Un)fortunately, the interface was never designed for small screens, which makes tablets suboptimal for actual gameplay, where loads of information needs to be presented on the same page. Had the UI been rewritten, it would work great, but it's not worth the resources considering other limitations of today's application of said screens.

Tldr: don't think in terms of what's available today. Less than a decade ago, few considered smartphone market and tablets were a failed sideproduct of notebook miniaturization attempts. Today, the world is changed. Imagine what we could have in another decade...
Lupus Borealis
The Lupus Borealis
#54 - 2013-02-27 12:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lupus Borealis
I am not saying that EVE is ready for tablets.

I am not saying that tablets are ready for EVE.

I am saying that in future tablets and EVE can very well be together.

Samsung and others are developing rollable and foldable touch screen, for yet another example. Imagine having 15 inch rollable touchscreen for gaming. Talk about mobile gaming! You can already install EVE to Windows 8 tablet and play the game, but the game GUI isn't for tablets.

Basically CCP could make a tablet GUI, and enable EVE for Windows 8 tablets. They have intel HD 4000 graphics, wich are more than enough for this game.

But, since CCP isn't officially supporting Windows 8, I don't think that there are Windows 8 tablet GUI coming up.

Why CCP isn't supporting W8? Maybe they get into Valves bandwagon and hit Ubuntu and keep supporting W7. Maybe they want to wait and see how this situation evolves. Maybe even android.

ARM computers are getting more powerfull, for example new tegra 4 is quite badass.

We might be on the edge of M$ & intels era. Time will tell. I wouldn't mind on having something else than windows and intel!

Chill out grumpy old nerds.
Lupus Borealis
The Lupus Borealis
#55 - 2013-02-27 12:11:48 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Tablets are a ****** interface for gaming, to be completely frank. They could start a new, console-like market, with subgenres of games built to operate on simple control schemes on a touch-screen interface, but they aren't going to replace PCs.

The mouse + keyboard combination is pretty much ideal for gaming. It allows an absolutely massive number of buttons to be immediately accessible, and doesn't involve time-consuming gestures or anything of the like. That, and a PC can be high-performance with little worry about overheating. Cases are spacious and generally designed for ideal airflow. Tablets have to be extremely slim by design, meaning closely packed together components. This means anything taking full advantage of the hardware is going to put that hardware at risk during extended use.


I'll dare say the unspeakable: EVE is a close to ideal game for touch screen displays, as most of the interface functions on a point and click or drag and drop interaction. More swipes, less buttons and you're pretty much there. (Un)fortunately, the interface was never designed for small screens, which makes tablets suboptimal for actual gameplay, where loads of information needs to be presented on the same page. Had the UI been rewritten, it would work great, but it's not worth the resources considering other limitations of today's application of said screens.

Tldr: don't think in terms of what's available today. Less than a decade ago, few considered smartphone market and tablets were a failed sideproduct of notebook miniaturization attempts. Today, the world is changed. Imagine what we could have in another decade...

Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#56 - 2013-02-27 12:15:58 UTC
Here it starts... Last gaming tablet hitting market...

this title is more appropriate imo.

wumbo
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-02-27 12:17:42 UTC
Lupus Borealis wrote:

Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.


When touch screens solve the issues of

1) my finger being in the way
2) marks on the screen
3) mechanical resistance

I'll happily use them, otherwise, I hates them sooooo much
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-02-27 12:26:18 UTC
Bah... I've had gaming tablets for years. Prescription Narcotics for Chronic Pain can make you feel gamey just sitting in a chair...
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#59 - 2013-02-27 12:28:23 UTC
Why buy a tablet supposedly designed to play PC games ?

Load Splashtop server app on your PC.
Load Splashtop client app on your Tablet.
Run you favourite PC game on the PC as you normally would.
Use your tablet with Splashtop controlling your PC.
Video and Sound are streamed at full resolution, so what you see on your PC you will see on your Tablet, without lag.
Streaming as opposed to standard Remote Control.

Not fun though, too fidgety to try play games on a tablet.

o7

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-02-27 12:41:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Who needs a mouse and keyboard, right?

When i get on the train in the morning, all the girls are gonna think i'm so cool when they see me with this Cool

The wishlist is pretty much complete...