Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you have the problem of this game does not have precise control of ships....ie no joystick/throttle flight sim junky setups. You navigate by right clicking on points heavily. That point could be a ship. A ship an empire bear might approach too fast.

Even in 0.0 where you have the "pro's" you always get those tards who warp to 0, or close to 0 too damn fast. Simple thing to not do, yet many fail at it. If there is no hope for 0.0 to solve this, training empire bears a tad more difficult. Trust me...I learned to not warp to 0 by hearing the tirades of pissed off titan pilots or fc's tear the bumping tards new asses. How others do not learn from this, I have no clue.

Empire bears won't have this motivation to remember the above lesson I learned.



Tl;dr....lacking fine ship controls you won't be seeing this happen.

Micro warp drives, afterburners, logoffski/relogging, and orbiting.

The very tools used to counter such a stupid tactic are already in the game and have been for some time.

You're welcome.
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Do you bumping complainers understand that bumbing is a mechanic intendeed to prevent ships to get stucked?

Removing or reducing it would lead only to have ships trapped and unable to move.
If removed people could do it on purpose: one or due ships could not simply bumping you away but just trapping you forever in a place.

And what about the criminal flag for bumping? Seriously? So let's say i sit in a battleship on an undock point and i can legally kill any hauler undocking and bumping me? Really do you want this?

As I said before if you do an approach command and then actually bumped them you would get flagged. But it requires an active action on the part of the bumper. If people just happen to bump, oh well.

This could also be fixed by making approach not approach to 0, but that would eliminate it entirely most likely or at least make it far too difficult to accomplish.

I would definitely agree that group play for some of these hulls would be good, but I have no idea (and in 10 years neither has CCP) on how to make the group play mind-numbingly boring. Well at least jump freighters can make use of a second character for jumps, but frankly I'm not sure how to make industrial hauling a group activity and I don't think that people should have to suffer in the mean time. Frankly I'm okay (though many will not be) with them making the solo parts a bit better and then going the other direction and making it a group activity.

Partly the problem is that in the real world trucking is a solo activity. Truckers talk to each other, but for the most part they don't travel together (any real truckers feel free to counter this -- I'm basing this on popular knowledge). Though most truckers don't have to deal with people blowing them up and taking their stuff.

It's a difficult problem and I don't really have an answer. Frankly I'm not really a victim of bumping but I see its use get reported all the time as a griefing tactic. Maybe it's just against people who are AFK, but I imagine it's still a problem with really large, heavy hulls.

CCP stated they're looking in to this, there's no valid reason why this shouldn't be possible in all areas of the game, however doing so without stepping on "group" abilities to mess with those is tricky.

You already have the option to move to another system and mine quietly, the best counter to bumpers is to ignore them and let them without nothing to mess with, they'll get bored at some point and move somewhere else.

Mine mission sites is another available option, probe sites etc. In the end you'll win a little bit more isk than dealing with those nerds. Eventually you can also find those huge neutral null sec corps those bump nerds are actually protecting and just bump them.

Cheapo Thorax with nanos shield extenders and mwd +rigs is dam agile and tops over 4km/s (add OGB and this number goes crazy for a cruiser), nice tool for bumping the bumper or bumper mining friends. Have fun messing with them as much as they have messing with you, even if they gank your ship you're still wining in the end.
You're making them get less isk/h and making them loose isk in your gank+loss SS. See this on a larger scale than the simple rock you want to mine, and it's good fun waiting your friends to log in then give them a reason to wardec said miner corporation.

Hmm. specifics? How does freighter which cannot fit modules avoid bumps? Counter positions are good I think, but specifics are necessary to keep it from being useless arguments in the form of "uh huh... nuh uh".

An earlier suggestion was a "space anchor" which lets you anchor your ship sort of like how POS arrays and GSCs get anchored. Like those cases, you could not anchor your ship too close to other anchored items such as GSCs, other anchored ships, or stations. (Which means you cannot clog up an undock with anchored ships). Unlike normal anchoring, it would not make you totally fixed. A bump would still move you, just not as much.

Although this would limit bumping off roids (it would still be possible, just harder), it does nothing for the case of using bumping as a substitute for a scram.

I mentioned 1v1 play, so presume no friends.

Secondly it seems a player's options when being bumped is to stop playing -- a true recipe for success.

And lastly, bumping as a stalling tactic (where the bumped can't aggress) until the rest of your fleet shows up is just dumb in my opinion. If you web/scram me I can defend myself. But if you're bumping I cannot until it's too late.

It's like the guy who keeps getting in your way without touching you until his buddies can show up and beat the crap out of you. I can't think of a single decent court that wouldn't see the guy stalling you as part of the aggressors.

Yes, give suspect flags for bumping. That would make the docking ring of Jita 4-4 REALLY fun to watch.

Bumping is fine, deal with it.

Solutions among others include: Insta undocks, webs, MJD, dodging, jump drives or just plain staying docked up.