Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Lol, you brouht that argument :) I was only answering to you.

And actually is pretty much in topic.

What you nul bears fail to see is that in the last 3-4 years you got from CCP mechanics and tools to fully secure 0.0 space; so you degraded the best part of EVE in a trivial, risk avverse, huge farmville for crybabies.

In repsect of this (and this is why is in topic) covert ops, cloacking, covert cynos and so on are very needed balancement factors. They are an answer to your blobs, they leave room for some occasional, unpredictable variables in a stagnant gameplay.

You should be grateful to people bringing this to you, they help you to stay alive. Without them your gameplay would be definitively dead, a never ending cycle of ratting and mining, where the most exciting event is some POS to refuel.

STFU and go away from crying you cloaker ***.

Local

how about...NO

Just bring back auto log off. But with a nice timer where even the miners would not mind it. I mean like a full cargo load of ice with the minimum skill requirements.

I'm guessing a nice 1 hour afk timer. Should be good right ?

There we go Problem fixed.

You could completely remove cloaks and we'd still devalue local. Unscannable ships or small, incredibly fast ones that can just burn forever in one direction that you can't catch...

HEY PEOPLE guess what?! There is a TOPIC. Its about CLOAKING making you invulnerable, not LOCAL.

*snipped ranting and personal attacks* - CCP Eterne

Now, unless someone wants to post about the topic (and be ON TOPIC) that is here, I'm asking that an admin just lock this and file it away in the idea drawer.

Take your bitching about local to a thread and I'll happily argue the points about that issue there. This is about how once you are cloaked, you are un-f'n-touchable. Period, the end, needs fixing.
It's not about local, or this stupid 'psychological asshattery' that people are bitching about, its about this:

I have an alt
He's in space
people look for him
and can't find him...
because he's cloaked.

They do whatever, and I light a candle.
buddies come, target dies in <8 seconds.
They give me more fuel in a can,
I cloak
I sit in system without anything you can do about it.

Rinse.
Repeat.

Now... if there were cloak detection probes... guess what? The longer I sit in the system, the more people I'd have probing me down. I'd actually have to pay attention to that screen instead of typing this up. Eventually I'd have to do something like leave the area for a while...

So far the way I see it is that the people that whine about how this idea, or any that make cloakign more balanced, would ruin cloaking (or otherwise try and ***** about local to derail the thread) are lazy ***** that don't want to see a broken mechanic go away, so that they can just sit around and **** with enemy alliances' space without them being able to do a damned thing about it.

So you whine and ***** about afk cloakers but if they were removed from local you'd have no reason to worry

I don't give a **** about CVA or other alliances.

I was talking about null bears mindset in general.

What you and others do not understand is that, simply, cloackers are an answer to your attitude to dock in safe (and cry like babies) anytime someone enter the local and stay docked undefinively. As well as hotdropping is an answer to your blobs. Are game mechanics and tactics developed (needed) to slightly balance the chance you have to lock up safe systems.

People in low sec is used to operate with hostiles, neutral, WT, pirates in the systems. This do not prevent them to play, simply cause they're used to get some risk from the moment they undock.

you're not used to this, you used to think (by the game mechanics and by your leaders risk adverse mentality) sovreignity as something to claim once and then no daily effort and risk needed to mantain it. They're not effective (people will not give up and will fight back anyway) and not so needed (you have alternatives).

if AFK cloacker end hotdrop are not such a nightmare in low sec is just cause you cannot lock up systems as you do in null, and cause people is used to work daily to keep his control on his systems. If you give up to your gameplay and stay docked you simply will loose it.

Again, there's no reason to nerf everyone game only to match a risk adverse minority that think to be a special snowflake. Any gameplay pushing everyone's playground toward a stagnat situation (as happens now in null) is bad and need a balance. Like or dislike it: cloacking is fine, your mindset is wrong.