EVE General Discussion

I am new to this game and have been looking up youtube videos to learn about some new aspects of the game. I have found some very helpful videos from places like EVE University and some of the 0.0 space corps, some funny parodies Russians mmade, and basically a bunch of other crap. One thing I am very interested in is PvP and flying in big, coordinated fleets with other EVE players. It looks really cool and I've never done anything of the sort.

However, I came across some videos that really weird me out about EVE fleets. For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-kGGW0UlPA What the hell is wrong with the FC? Is this common? Looking up rage videos, it seems like it's very normal to berate fleetmates and put everyone down - that doesn't sound like fun at all. Can someone give me some direction to go in to avoid douchebags like that?

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To be fair, Russians are not known for doing anything calmly.

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it depends of your description of word "bad".
- bad tactic, decisions, passiveness, etc...
- rage, colorful language, etc....

personally i've seen good at tactic and very experienced FCs who i wouldn't speak with. For example one person from LoD was doing crazily great roams, lots of kills and all this stuff. On the other hand he made it so i would not listen to teamspeak at all if i could.

another picture (from RA): very kind and nice FCs. he is good at tactic but he can't (or simply doesn't want) to organize voice comms so you always have lots of trolls and all this stuff. Result: headashe and missed orders.

another picture (from Solar Fleet): very kind and good at comms FC who made strange decision (it was obvious at that moment) and killed almost all his fleet.

another picture (from Troyan Trolls): very good and funny FC who committed suicide of his gang (TBH it was common decision of gang members) which can be used for paining him "BAD" from many people.

I think you're just being hard on them for raging because you have no clue what it's like to FC and don't really understand how things work. At least in the video you linked the guy is raging because the first guy is making poor target calls. He knows better and knows letting him continue will just get people unnecessarily killed and can potentially even cause them to lose the fight, so he takes charge.

Those fights can be highly stressful especially for the people in command, so they can get very agitated and have a low tolerance for mistakes. You can think of it as a coach of a sports team during a tough match. Some stay calm no matter what, but most of them yell with their face red and flail about in frustration. It's just the nature of the game and you shouldn't take it personally. If anything listening to it can get pretty funny at times.

Better have an FC with raging emotions, who tries keeping it together and sacrifices his soul for the team, than one who does not care at all about you and the fleet.

he's calling targets that force the zealots to use scorch. zealots can do that and maintain ok-ish damage output up to 30-35km but they really want to fight at < 10km using multifrequency. Apart from the ~100 dps/ship loss using scorch also brings a tracking penalty which hurts as Zealots are meant to keep up a high transversal as a form of tank.


In most alliances it would have gone unremarked. In PL half the fleet are experienced FCs or think they are experienced FCs, so the mistake gets noticed and corrected.

But tbh if the biggest issue you have with your FC is that he is calling targets at ~20km when flying armor hacs then you are already pretty lucky.
2nd and 3rd tier alliances have an extremely hard time to keep around even semi-decent FCs and will rather lose fleet after fleet than name & shame as they are too afraid of losing those few FCs they do have (even if they are horribly bad).


wait a second... the "bad FC" moniker refers to Shadoo?

Well, in that case it's easy - stay away from the large powerblocs and any "elite" small scale pvp outfits (RnK, Hatchery, ...) and you are guaranteed to avoid the likes of Shadoo. Maybe look into Black Core Alliance - they have a FC called ShadowandLight and I think you might like him.

(you search for rage videos and then you complain about FCs raging based on that impression... my mind is blown)

I'm inclined to say for the most part FCs have every right to rage. What you will find is that within a group of players people make mistakes, more players = more mistakes, usually because they aren't listening or not paying attention.

Sometimes it's ok for these things to happen, while traveling etc, but at other times it can have a serious impact on the plans that have been carefully laid down to encourage a fight.

when you consider sometimes it will be 3 - 4 hours build up for a fight which can be ruined by one person in a second. a lack of discipline of pilots is hard to tolerate.

If all of that wasn't enough it is a high pressure role, you are responsible for you fleet of 10/50/100/1000 people, each are expecting you to see them safely to the other side of the battle. You will often see pilots berating an FCs decisions despite not having all of the information available etc. things like this is why either new FCs don;t continue or seasoned FCs burn out.

Despite all of this, it is also very rewarding when it all works out well. and some people are better than others, but i would rarely say an FC is plain bad.

the point about attitude is important

in this case the FC is told that the targets he calls are bad - but just continues calling bad targets; even after shadoo takes over he tries to argue that he really made no mistake.

when you make a mistake and get called out on it you fix your behavior and eat some humble pie.

you do not keep arguing just because your ego prevents you from admitting that you behaved like a ******** *******.

that's obviously true for FCs and fleet members alike.